Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: TheRiddickI've found updating GPU drivers and MESA to be much easier under Arch based Linux, AUR is a godsend also! The whole PPA Ubuntu random packages method was rather clunky to deal with!

A Mesa update is just as simple to install as any other update, isn't it?

Are the packages in AUR less "random" than ones in a PPA?

Well mesa being a library that a lot of things depend upon, and PPAs basically being a wild west and not officially supported by Ubuntu...

A wild west just like AUR then. I use a grand total of three PPAs on my gaming/entertainment box currently BTW, one owned and updated by a Valve employee, and the other two by the teams who develop the software I download from those PPAs. Do you always check who wrote the pkgbuilds you download from AUR?

And with Arch they are core libraries and so things that need to be rebuilt on those are rebuilt at the same time the libraries are. It is one of the 'pros' of running a Rolling release.

Having to build a bunch of stuff yourself is a pro?

I was a Gentoo user for a couple of years so I see what you're trying to say, but for most users that really isn't a pro.

If you are someone who always needs bleeding edge drivers / libraries, Arch is fantastic at keeping things up to date. If I ran AMD stuff, I would probably just stick to Arch.

I don't see why I would, and I actually run AMD stuff. If you mainly use your computer for gaming, you're best off running something close to what game developers test against, with just your graphics drivers updated to the latest and greatest.

There are good reasons to prefer a rolling distro but gaming isn't one. If you just want to play your games, you don't really care about most libraries being bleeding edge as much as you care about having a supported system. That's why we have steam runtimes and whatnot.

Snaps were created to try and stop the many PPAs from being needed.

I doubt that was even in the top five reasons.

I guess this discussion is a bit off topic here.

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Quoting: TheRiddickI've found updating GPU drivers and MESA to be much easier under Arch based Linux, AUR is a godsend also! The whole PPA Ubuntu random packages method was rather clunky to deal with!

A Mesa update is just as simple to install as any other update, isn't it?

Are the packages in AUR less "random" than ones in a PPA?

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Quoting: mylka

Quoting: fagnerlnAMD and Valve are two of most helpful companies and must be supported from us.

meehhh they kicked the AMD sensor thingy (k10temp) out of kernel 5.10 because a lack of documentation. now some values are useless and i have to stick with kernel 5.9

Well that's not quite the whole truth. The module exists and still reports temperatures, but the reason it doesn't report voltage and current any more is not just about the documentation. Here's the relevant commit message:

Voltages and current are reported by Zen CPUs. However, the means
to do so is undocumented, changes from CPU to CPU, and the raw data
is not calibrated. Calibration information is available, but again
not documented. This results in less than perfect user experience,
up to concerns that loading the driver might possibly damage
the hardware (by reporting out-of range voltages). Effectively
support for reporting voltages and current is not maintainable.
Drop it.

If there's code in the kernel that might risk damaging your hardware (or simply provides unreliable data), I'd say removing it is a good decision.

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Quoting: scaineThat's really interesting. I only use about 3 or 4 PPAs (Mesa, Wine, Chrome/Dropbox and OBS), but I've found the Mint upgrade to be a real train wreck. It refused to upgrade unless I downgraded all my packages first, which took ages. Then finally upgraded, then I had to restore all my PPAs, and so on. It was painful stuff. To be fair, Ubuntu isn't hugely better - but it automates a lot of the process for you.

But just look at these instructions... holy cow. https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/2 [External Link]

You're not kidding about holy cow there, wow. Looks extremely verbose, and almost all of it seems to be about taking backups and such. That's also...not quite the right instructions, they should probably be more clear about that...

https://linuxmint-user-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/upgrade-to-mint-20.html [External Link]

I guess I was wrong about it being in upgrade manager, could've sworn it was. Uses the "mintupgrade" tool. I've taken backups like the doc suggests, but I've never bothered to downgrade any PPAs or anything; but then I don't use any PPAs that would interfere with system packages to begin with (that's "looking for trouble"). I will say this though, if you use any PPAs for newer graphics drivers it would be wise to downgrade and remove _that_ PPA in advance.

The instructions do look scary, but even my wife had no trouble using the upgrade tool, and she's no power user. But I did help her find good sources for her graphics software afterwards.

Personally I use every upgrade as an opportunity to do some system maintenance and clearing of inevitable cruft. An hour every couple of years is hardly a lot of effort.

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Quoting: mylkathe appimage finally shows me my games
it would be sooo awesome if we could download native linux versions from epic through this launcher

i just went over all the free games i collected, looking for native linux games and IT....IS.... A.... LOT!!!!!!!!!!

A launcher can do nothing about the fact that none of those Linux versions are available in Epic's store. There's nothing to download. But maybe that's what you meant.

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Quoting: EagleDelta

Quoting: borisetoHuh, is for some reason not updated on their Ubuntu repo? Cause I didn't see the .1 update either, besides this one.

It's there, they stopped appending the "ubuntu<version>" string to the end of the package. Since 5.8.1 they just create a single DEB file now. I definitely 5.8.2 there.

I just checked the PPA and seems like they've only updated the package for Groovy. They added a couple of dependencies, but the deb [External Link] seems to install just fine on Mint (so 20.04 LTS as well).

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Quoting: samurro

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: gardotd426New hardware needs rolling releases to work, unless you want to compile from source, use custom kernels, are comfortable in TTY's, etc.

No. You just need drivers (kernel, possibly Mesa) that support your hardware. If you can easily get those from a PPA or other optional repository, why would you need a rolling distro? You might have plenty of other valid reasons to prefer Arch, but they aren't likely to enhance your gaming in any meaningful way.

Sorry but thats simply untrue. Rolling releases is the way to go instead of adding ridicolous amounts of extra repositories, esp for a beginner, thats a very negative habit.

For a complete Linux beginner obviously Ubuntu is a neat starting place. Still I would also recommend against anything Ubuntu like.

Ridiculous amounts or repositories? You find it hard to count to two? Because you won't need more than that if you just need a new kernel and GPU drivers.

Nothing untrue about what I said.

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Quoting: HoriWhat I mean when I say "it's like racism" is that if you hate a product just because it's Microsoft, is just the same as hating a person just because he's black.

No. One is hating a corporation for their actions and the other is hating a person for their skin colour. Surely you can see how this is a false equivalence.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy[Excellent wall of text.]

There's not much to add, but I'll do it anyway. A sort of "TL;DR", although not reading that post would be a shame:

Judging a person by their actions is fine, and is not discrimination. So even if you buy into the ridiculous idea that corporations are people and should be treated with the same respect, you are definitely allowed (if not morally compelled) to judge them by their actions and act upon them. Usually "act" means "speak out and boycott", but it can also mean things like "report to the authorities" if you suspect their actions to be downright illegal.

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Quoting: scaineI reckon this game is too cute to be called "distopian" :D

Absolutely beautiful graphics though. I'm not sure a point-n-click is my thing anymore, but I'm still tempted to pick this up!

The style is cute and there's plenty of humour to keep things from getting too oppressive, but the setting and the story justify that adjective. It's definitely not a future you'd want to live in.

As a backer and a beta-tester, I'd say that if you ever enjoyed old-school adventure games, you should definitely give this one a go. In a month when it finally comes out I mean. :)

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