Quoting: CFWhitman

Quoting: BielFPsThe two main point I said before all these people quoting me was
-Valve profit from both Windows and Linux sales, despite deck success or not
-Valve is not support Linux for ideological reasons, but because Linux is a way to make then independent to Microsoft.

I want to make it clear that I never intended to contradict these two points. They are both true.

I do think, however, that if the Steam Deck were to be turned into something that most people converted to Windows, Valve would consider it a failed attempt to further establish their independence from Microsoft. Having people running Windows on the Steam Deck is not their goal, despite that still being profitable for them.

I also have serious doubts that any less than 75%, and probably more like 90%+, of Steam Deck owners will keep Steam OS as the installed system (at least for the first three years) just because that's what came on it.

(Edit: I would like to add that I don't think Valve would go to all the trouble they have supporting Linux strictly for ideological reasons, but I do think that Gabe Newell likes that supporting Linux also is in line with his ideology on the subject of operating systems.)

The mere fact that one is even allowed to install Windows on the Steam Deck negates this argument.

I hope most people keep Linux on the Steam Deck. However, I've known enough Windows gamer's over the years to know that many of them will be more than willing to install Windows on the Steam Deck even if it is something they normally wouldn't do.

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Quoting: massatt212i know their are other ways to install the browser, but it would be nice to catch up to windows, even the encoders are worst on linux, thinking about an NDI setup for streaming

Do you have any examples? I've encoded 4K videos just fine with OBS and haven't run into any performance issues.

This NDI plugin works with Linux:
https://www.newtek.com/blog/tips/dual-pc-streaming-in-linux-using-ndi-instead-of-capture-cards/ [External Link]

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Quoting: WorMzy

Quoting: massatt212does it have a browser now?

What does it need a browser for?

The browser is used to show real-time content from a website. This includes things like someone subscribing, showing chat, etc.

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Quoting: MayeulC

we will also support the upcoming Steam Deck (Proton)

It really does sound like they will have a proprietary module on the steam deck with in-kernel anti-cheat, not sure we'll be able to use that on our computers?

I don't remember where I read this but Valve stated that this will all be available outside of Steam Deck

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Quoting: pete910Not interested in wine/proton support tbh, Would be more interested in more native games being shipped now that EAC/BE supports Linux. (I'm looking at the likes of you NWI)

Or is the support only through Wine ?

EAC and BattleEye have had native Linux support for a while. This was just to add support for them through Proton for Wine.

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Quoting: GuestThese regressions cannot happen when the Steam Deck ships and these fixes must NOT be needed. It will reflect badly on Proton, linux and ultimately kill the device

Don't worry, Windows users are already used to workarounds and games not working 😄

In my experience only tinkerers and retro gamers are used to stuff not working.

But even them are more used to the latest or more popular games working out of the box.

Go to any Steam forum or discord for a game and you'll see that this isn't true.

A hundred posts in a forum for a game that sold between 1 to 90 million copies isn't the compelling argument you think it is.

Most games don't sell millions of copies. Also, there are well known cases of games being terrible at launch and in some cases are never fully fixed.

Drivers, antivirus software, Windows updates, and poorly designed software issues happen a lot in Windows. Heck most of us are here because of these issues and Windows gamers have to do deal with those.

All I'm saying is that Windows gamers are used to dealing with issues with games not working and I think that it'll be less of an issue on Steam Deck and not something to worry about.

If the Steam Deck sells millions and most stay on SteamOS 3, developers are going to ensure their updates work on the Steam Deck. If it doesn't sell enough then it will not matter anyways.

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Quoting: KohlyKohl

Quoting: GuestThese regressions cannot happen when the Steam Deck ships and these fixes must NOT be needed. It will reflect badly on Proton, linux and ultimately kill the device

Don't worry, Windows users are already used to workarounds and games not working 😄

In my experience only tinkerers and retro gamers are used to stuff not working.

But even them are more used to the latest or more popular games working out of the box.

Go to any Steam forum or discord for a game and you'll see that this isn't true.

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Quoting: GuestThese regressions cannot happen when the Steam Deck ships and these fixes must NOT be needed. It will reflect badly on Proton, linux and ultimately kill the device

Don't worry, Windows users are already used to workarounds and games not working 😄

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Quoting: kalinI have been hate gnome forever but it works far better compared to kde in my experience.
With kde I always have crashes for random components all the time. When I get amd gpu (2023) I can try kde again
hopefully they learn how to write stable software till then

I can't remember the last time something in the KDE stack crashed on me. I even use NVidia and I still have no issues on several computers.

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Quoting: TcheyYep, have to wait before playing. Nothing seems up to date yet, snap, flat, app...
Manjaro is with 0.24. Some reps are even still with 0.23.

Also, big mistake in the trailer, Alpha 25 shows as XV instead of XXV in old rome numbers.
And we have a a good 10 seconds to notice it, hehe... Weird they didn’t see that, as it’s very obvious.

Getting an up to date version of this game has always been a struggle

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