Used to have a Pentium III just like this one with a Matrox G200 GPU I bought at some yard sale for 5 bucks plugged in it.
I could play games like Quake or Myth on LAN with my PowerMac when a friend came over. It's the computer that used to run SuSE back when I discovered Linux.

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Quoting: AkonadyIf they stop with this Open Source bs they could sell the game, make money from it, and turn the game into a real game, hiring developers, not this garbage, this game is not even close to Age of Empires, sorry. But hey, they still got 1.000 years to finish the game.

I've been reading the exact same kind of comments about using Linux as a desktop OS for years now. What strikes me the most is that those who make these statements either don't actually use a Linux DE, or they don't have to use macOS or Windows 10 on a regular basis, i.e. for actual work. I do, and as such I can't help laughing when I read such argumentation.

I read the same things about LibreOffice and stuff, it's all over the place, and yet I can find many instances where it fares better than the "serious" alternatives.

The point of developing 0ad is to have an open source game like AoE, and as such, it's been doing an amazing job.

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As a fan of both id games and Super Mokey Ball, I almost died laughing so hard.

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Quoting: Alm888Meant by whom? Is it not legal to provide drivers in a binary form? What about other drivers (Broadcom wireless etc.)? How about other parts, like BIOS (UEFI) firmware? Or, well, AMD firmware? Are those meant to be provided in a binary form?
Please, tell me you are using Libreboot [External Link] firmware with gNewSense [External Link] GNU/Linux OS. But, I bet you are not (your profile states Fedora).

The binary argument is none of my concerns in this case, and that's what you seem to fail to understand. Linux kernel does officially come with binary software and I don't see any problem doing so, that's why I'm running Fedora.
And if you had bothered reading what I'm actually writing (which I doubt you did, cf. later in this very post), you would know that I am not discussing legality.
What I am arguing in favour of is developing drivers at least in cooperation with the kernel team, if not directly inside Mesa, which would avoid multiple technical problems including incompatibilities and bugs, some of which we had to bear with for a year and a half without Nvidia even taking notice. I'm not saying they are incompetent, I'm not saying it is the binary form which is "evil", I'm saying that as a (mostly) loyal Nvidia customer since GeForce 2, I'm getting bored with it all.

Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: omer666For most users the problem is more technical than ideological…

Yet, some seem to be inclined bashing nVidia whenever they can, even in good news, because, nVidia does things the "wrong way", not the way things are meant to be done. Sure. No ideology here whatsoever.

So you mean there is no better technical way to do software, there's only ideology at hand?

Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: omer666I think you would live a better life if you stopped doing archetypes.

Quoting: omer666…idiotic…

I seriously think you shall calm down or, better yet, go to bed. Because direct insults are not healthy and right now you are clearly not capable of restraining yourself from them.

I found your remark very stupid, that doesn't mean I'm insulting your very person.
You keep putting things in such a way that prevents you from reading the actual conversation.
All your replies to my post are completely far-fetched, if it's not too insulting to your taste.
You pit things as Fanatic Bearded Open-Source Gurus vs the World.
Well what I'm desperately trying to tell you, is that things are not this way for everyone in this conversation.
And I don't know where you live, but 6 PM is a bit early for bed.

Oh, and...

Quoting: Alm888EVIL!

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: HoriI'm not an AMD user, but... why would <you stop> playing proprietary games just because you support open drivers?
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Sure I'll always be happy when I see open source games, that is great, but IMO it is not a requirement!

Maybe it is because you are not an AMD user?
Those using nVidia… are just playing games.
Those using AMD feel the need to preach everyone on how closed source is bad and not the Linux Way, so using closed source proprietary "blobs" is a big NO-NO! Oh, and "NVIDIA, F*CK YOU!" Because in their eyes nVidia is EVIL and is actively undermining the Linux ecosystem by… doing what it is supposed to do: providing software support for their products.

Because, remember, closed-source proprietary drivers are EVIL!

I am personally all for open platform ideology. An ecosystem providing possibilities for everyone. If a company decides to sell their proprietary software on Linux -- fine by me! I will not pull everyone's nails with a pliers demanding access to source code.

I think you would live a better life if you stopped doing archetypes.

For most users the problem is more technical than ideological, drivers on Linux are meant to be provided in a certain way and to interface with the system as it was designed, and it is not possible with current Nvidia drivers.

As to the parallel with playing proprietary games on an open system, it is as idiotic as asking why you open copyrighted documents with LibreOffice.

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Quoting: HoriAMD's still at 1st gen RT and we know how useless Nvidia's 1st gen RT was. Same goes to whatever AMD calls their DLSS equivalent - which IMO is the biggest advantage Nvidia has.

1st gen tech is usually "bad" and it's a much better move to wait until 2nd gen. And Nvidia is already there :(

I think dealing with raytracing in its current state is not that simple. To begin with, not that many games implement it. Then, RTX is not always prettier than standard rendering. And finally, Dirt 5 offers better ray tracing performance on AMD, so it might still be a matter of optimisation.

What I do see nonetheless, is Nvidia advertising a technology which is not a thing yet, just like they always did.

Even with this move in the right direction, which makes me really happy, I am tired of running drivers that work like no others. There are always rough edges. This and the current product lineup is driving me away from Nvidia.

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Quoting: seanbutnotheardI'm sure the game is fun, but I'd also love to have a desktop environment that looks like this...

You could do this with Awesome WM

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Quoting: 3zekiel

Quoting: omer666Quite disappointed to see all the Linux vendors still shipping Intel-powered laptops. :sad:

First, right now, there is no real supply for AMD see CPUs (see Tuxedo AMD laptops stocks). So it's Intel or nothing for now.
Second, Tiger lake is very cool, its graphics perf are real great (way better than AMD at least, and according to new AMD APUs spec, this will continue), and single core performance is good too. So why not sell both AMD and Intel ? If you need more parallel CPU power, AMD is better of course. But that is not the general case. Graphics is usually much more limiting for most "standard" workload like browsing or gaming. And Xe does allow you to game on an APU, which is insanely cool. On the opposite, if you need to do a lot of code compilation, hw simulation etc, then AMD is better. So, best is really to have the choice.
Third, Intel continues to be a massive contributor to Linux/Open Source so not biting the hand that feeds you might be a good idea.

I agree with you, what I meant is that almost all Linux laptops I see are on Intel CPUs, so there is almost no choice at the moment. Of course I'm still eyeing what Intel is doing, but at the moment I'd rather buy AMD.

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Quite disappointed to see all the Linux vendors still shipping Intel-powered laptops. :sad:

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And once more, Nvidia proves to fare worse than others. On GNOME 3.38 I'm having an awful repaint bug, too.

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