Alright, Metro Exodus has landed on Linux and I still don't have a copy... So count me in for the giveaway.

I think my good old 1050Ti is going to have a hard time running it but I don't mind, I've played 15fps games on software renderer in the past :happy:

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Quoting: LordDaveTheKind

Quoting: omer666Would you share with us which games were troublesome to you?
I would really like to use an AMD GPU sometime in the future, and although I know the support is always getting better, I'm a bit concerned about problems I'm not aware of...

Yes, apologies if I answer just now.

There are a few exceptional cases:

• Games currently based on the Ray-Tracing extensions, or any other missing Vulkan extension on AMD;


• Some DirectX12 games such as AC Valhalla. There are some recent discussions though on how to make it work with specific versions of RADV/Mesa (Link on the GitHub discussion here [External Link] ). If you try to use AMDVLK, the whole X session crashes instead.

Of course they are very small exceptions, and I know very few people might get interested to it. But we have to consider them if we want to do an unbiased evaluation. And, to be fair, it isn't bad: it's healthy to have the possibility of making a choice between two options.

It's fine :wink:
Thank you for your answer. Yes those are very small issues, but issues they are indeed.

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Quoting: LordDaveTheKind

Quoting: Grazen

Quoting: KohlyKohl

Quoting: omer666Well, maybe they realised AMD's hardware was competitive again, and they need to better their software to stay on top. In any case, I'm still waiting for Nvidia's promises to materialise, but that's very good news at last.

From what I've seen, AMD is still a bit behind NVidia in terms of hardware. NVidia is also way ahead in software so I don't think they are that worried.

This is so true. I aspire to one day moving to AMD but I'm not going to do it strictly because they offer "open source" drivers... frankly that's the least valuable item on my list of wants (considering that I'm using proprietary software in Steam and the games themselves!). AMD needs to catch up on the hardware front, particularly on RT and supersampling technologies like DLSS (which apparently will never work via proton, but alas). The AMD drivers also generally lag behind the Nvidia proprietary drivers in my experience. I'm hoping that the 7000 series cards solve the hardware issues when i'm looking to upgrade from my 2000 series Nvidia cards.

I've tried both the top tier cards currently (scarcely) available in the market. I would say that although AMD cards have a better efficiency, they still don't support as many games as Nvidia does. There is still no straight answer to the question which one is better for Linux gamers.

Would you share with us which games were troublesome to you?
I would really like to use an AMD GPU sometime in the future, and although I know the support is always getting better, I'm a bit concerned about problems I'm not aware of...

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Quoting: Grazen

Quoting: KohlyKohl

Quoting: omer666Well, maybe they realised AMD's hardware was competitive again, and they need to better their software to stay on top. In any case, I'm still waiting for Nvidia's promises to materialise, but that's very good news at last.

From what I've seen, AMD is still a bit behind NVidia in terms of hardware. NVidia is also way ahead in software so I don't think they are that worried.

This is so true. I aspire to one day moving to AMD but I'm not going to do it strictly because they offer "open source" drivers... frankly that's the least valuable item on my list of wants (considering that I'm using proprietary software in Steam and the games themselves!). AMD needs to catch up on the hardware front, particularly on RT and supersampling technologies like DLSS (which apparently will never work via proton, but alas). The AMD drivers also generally lag behind the Nvidia proprietary drivers in my experience. I'm hoping that the 7000 series cards solve the hardware issues when i'm looking to upgrade from my 2000 series Nvidia cards.

@KohlyKohl
I said competitive, which doesn't imply that AMD is ahead, but from what I can observe, many more people (even on Windows) are willing to buy AMD whenever it is available, because there is a whole bunch of users who don't care about Ray Tracing at all. Also AMD does lead in power efficiency.

@Grazen
Well that's debatable. On the one hand, there's great compatibility and some quality of life features in Nvidia's drivers, but on the other, if you consider AMD's integration at the heart of the Mesa stack, its compatibility with Wayland, and the fact that GPU passthrough has been supported like forever, I would certainly not say Nvidia's software is ahead of AMD's.

Add in the fact that Nvidia drivers can have some very tiresome bugs that take very long to get fixed, and that AMD's open source drivers have almost all of AMD's official features available + some extra features from Valve, and I could almost say AMD's got the lead.

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Well, maybe they realised AMD's hardware was competitive again, and they need to better their software to stay on top. In any case, I'm still waiting for Nvidia's promises to materialise, but that's very good news at last.

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Honestly, for the price it is a great computer. There are not a lot of Ryzen 5 or 7 in this price bracket that are premium built and Linux oriented.

Of course there is no dedicated GPU but Vega graphics are quite capable. Nonetheless, for gaming I would rather wait for an hypothetical RX 6600M.

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Used to have a Pentium III just like this one with a Matrox G200 GPU I bought at some yard sale for 5 bucks plugged in it.
I could play games like Quake or Myth on LAN with my PowerMac when a friend came over. It's the computer that used to run SuSE back when I discovered Linux.

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Quoting: AkonadyIf they stop with this Open Source bs they could sell the game, make money from it, and turn the game into a real game, hiring developers, not this garbage, this game is not even close to Age of Empires, sorry. But hey, they still got 1.000 years to finish the game.

I've been reading the exact same kind of comments about using Linux as a desktop OS for years now. What strikes me the most is that those who make these statements either don't actually use a Linux DE, or they don't have to use macOS or Windows 10 on a regular basis, i.e. for actual work. I do, and as such I can't help laughing when I read such argumentation.

I read the same things about LibreOffice and stuff, it's all over the place, and yet I can find many instances where it fares better than the "serious" alternatives.

The point of developing 0ad is to have an open source game like AoE, and as such, it's been doing an amazing job.

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As a fan of both id games and Super Mokey Ball, I almost died laughing so hard.

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Quoting: Alm888Meant by whom? Is it not legal to provide drivers in a binary form? What about other drivers (Broadcom wireless etc.)? How about other parts, like BIOS (UEFI) firmware? Or, well, AMD firmware? Are those meant to be provided in a binary form?
Please, tell me you are using Libreboot [External Link] firmware with gNewSense [External Link] GNU/Linux OS. But, I bet you are not (your profile states Fedora).

The binary argument is none of my concerns in this case, and that's what you seem to fail to understand. Linux kernel does officially come with binary software and I don't see any problem doing so, that's why I'm running Fedora.
And if you had bothered reading what I'm actually writing (which I doubt you did, cf. later in this very post), you would know that I am not discussing legality.
What I am arguing in favour of is developing drivers at least in cooperation with the kernel team, if not directly inside Mesa, which would avoid multiple technical problems including incompatibilities and bugs, some of which we had to bear with for a year and a half without Nvidia even taking notice. I'm not saying they are incompetent, I'm not saying it is the binary form which is "evil", I'm saying that as a (mostly) loyal Nvidia customer since GeForce 2, I'm getting bored with it all.

Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: omer666For most users the problem is more technical than ideological…

Yet, some seem to be inclined bashing nVidia whenever they can, even in good news, because, nVidia does things the "wrong way", not the way things are meant to be done. Sure. No ideology here whatsoever.

So you mean there is no better technical way to do software, there's only ideology at hand?

Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: omer666I think you would live a better life if you stopped doing archetypes.

Quoting: omer666…idiotic…

I seriously think you shall calm down or, better yet, go to bed. Because direct insults are not healthy and right now you are clearly not capable of restraining yourself from them.

I found your remark very stupid, that doesn't mean I'm insulting your very person.
You keep putting things in such a way that prevents you from reading the actual conversation.
All your replies to my post are completely far-fetched, if it's not too insulting to your taste.
You pit things as Fanatic Bearded Open-Source Gurus vs the World.
Well what I'm desperately trying to tell you, is that things are not this way for everyone in this conversation.
And I don't know where you live, but 6 PM is a bit early for bed.

Oh, and...

Quoting: Alm888EVIL!

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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