Quoting: GuestThe Wii doesn't have all those AAA titles either, yet the Wii also lacks the 1500+ games that Linux has, many of which are other AAA titles.

You're talking about Wii U I guess ? Because not only did the Wii get a lot of games (1527 according to Wikipedia), but it also got a lot of big Japanese RPG titles, big platformers, all of the CoD shit and so on.

Wii U, is another matter...

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Quoting: supashangSo you disagree that someone who's never used/played AAA games on Windows is not a target audience for selling old/new AAA games on SteamOS? Riiiiiiiight!

No I don't, honestly I'm just telling you about my own experience, nothing more. I am not completely dumb, mind you.

I do understand your statement about Indie games vs AAA, no problem. It's just that your getting so upset *clearly* doesn't serve your argumentation.

One may think that you want to prove much more than this, or to prove something else, because, to begin with, I see no point of disagreement between you and Liam. Quoting out of context sentences won't change this fact, and we all know around here that what he thinks of it, and that it's not opposed to your statement.

In his later replies, he only responded to your obvious hostility, hence the fact I said it definitely doesn't serve your argumentation.

No, saying journalists and people around the web are waiting for more AAA titles isn't calling you an "indie fanboy". This is plain over-interpretation, followed by calling names and so on.

So please behave yourself, and think that we all want the same thing in here.

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In the end, I don't understand the point you're trying to make... sorry.

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Quoting: supashangYou are exactly the target audience for SteamOS.

I don't think so, the only reason I play on Linux is because it's my OS of choice. I already have a very decent PC that I work on, and that I happen to play on, too.

Quoting: supashangWhat the mod doesn't seem to understand is that many people ignore indies and go straight for the over-hyped AAA for their gaming fix.

He does in fact, and he stated it millions of times himself from the very beginning.
And as a matter of fact, I don't think people going straight to over-hyped AAA games are Steam Machines' target audience either. It looks more like they're trying to create their own audience.
That's what Microsoft did with their first XBox in fact, nobody was waiting for an American console with a Bungie FPS as a launch title.*
Yes a BUNGIE game. Like in "Macintosh-only indie developer".

*Edit : Just as a reminder, at the time everyone was looking forward to the PS2, Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy... That cost SEGA to end making consoles and it definitely affected Nintendo GameCube's sales.

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Quoting: supashangCase in point, how many people bought and played "Witcher 2", "Alien: Isolation" or "Shadow or Mordor" on Windows months/years before they arrived on Linux? I know I did.

Well I am one of those guys who never had such thing as a "Windows partition", as I switched directly from Mac to Linux. So when I buy a Linux game nowadays, it's always the first time I play it. To me the OS is more important than game compatibility. But I know I'm an extraterrestrial :)

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My biggest disappointment is that Linux marketshare still hasn't expanded by itself. We need to at least surpass Mac users in numbers, as desktop experience on Linux is getting really polished and at the same time, the hardware is much more accessible.

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WOOOOOOW incredible!
I've been playing the Macintosh Full Voice Edition for many hours, I can't wait to play this on Linux!
Many thanks Night Dive!

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Quoting: EagleDeltaLiam, I think it is important to note that Kickstarter is NOT a store.

Also, Liam doesn't need to tell us what Kickstarter is or is not. In real life, investors turn their back on the company, they sell their stock options, and ultimately the company shuts its doors. If you want us to react this way, so be it. But I thought backing projects on Kickstarters or supporting open source systems was a bit more human than this.

True, but in if you think of it like how Wall Street works, most people putting money into stocks (investing) do NOT have any reasonable controlling stake in the company because their contribution or "Ownership" of the Company's value is so small compared to the larger investors.... same goes for Kickstarter.... we provide funds to help fund the development/production of a product, but we pay so little compared to the larger investors that we, more or less, don't "have a vote". Just like the average joe buying stocks in Google, Facebook, MacDonald's, etc has no "vote" in the direction of the company.

Business and Investing etiquette have never and probably never follow any sort of common sense. That's just the way it works. Don't give to kickstarter unless you're willing to lose that money.........

Yes, I agree upon the nature on investing, and you are completely right.
What I wanted to point out is that you tell us to be thankful whereas you are using the argument of "they only understand money, it's not their fault". Sorry but I can't hear this argument in this particular context. If money is all they want, they won't have mine, and yes, I think the whole situation is very, VERY ridiculous on their part.

I don't want to be aggressive or anything, but come on, don't ask us our forgiveness because they are more interested in money than in being honest.

Quoting: EagleDeltaDoesn't mean we can't be angry, but how we react to this affects how other game devs may perceive linux gamers and may even affect their willingness to port to linux. Show your anger with your wallet, NOT harsh comments. Those comment make us as a whole look bad.

I think in some situations, we can, and we must.
In many other cases, we observed overreactions, and I for once don't agree with many of them.
If you vote with your wallet and don't explain why, developers end up stating "Linux isn't worth the money" and we're in an even more sh*tty situation.

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Quoting: EagleDeltaLiam, I think it is important to note that Kickstarter is NOT a store.

Also, Liam doesn't need to tell us what Kickstarter is or is not. In real life, investors turn their back on the company, they sell their stock options, and ultimately the company shuts its doors. If you want us to react this way, so be it. But I thought backing projects on Kickstarters or supporting open source systems was a bit more human than this.

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Quoting: EagleDeltaWhen someone gives money to Kickstarter, they should be doing it for one reason only - they like the idea and want to see it succeed.

And if you like the idea of playing great RPGs on Linux, why wouldn't you pledge? I DO agree that a promise is a promise, but words have their weight, too. Let us prove our trust has some weight as well. And if the only way we can express it is money, because as a damn company they seem to only understand this (and this is sad, well it is contrary to the open source way of thinking but I won't open this door because it's a particularly dangerous topic), so be it.

Someone telling us "be thankful, they are kind enough to port it to your sh*tty OS" and "they are a company they just want money" in the same sentence is contradictory. If they are kind, if you want us to be thankful, well let them honour their promises, because money is money and it doesn't have anything to do with kindness and gratitude in my books.

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