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As a webdev who suffered over a decade at poorly made Microsoft Browsers, they earned this.

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Once again I arrive to the conversation feeling like I'm the only one that still sees Steam Machines 2015 as a HUGE success.

But you have to add context.

• Linux library is what 7,000 - 10,000 native now?


• Successively we now have Vulkan


• For all other Windows content we have Proton


• Steam Controller & Steam Input lead to controller input for virtually all major brands


• Major Optimizations to SDL, and other Graphics & Input libraries to lower friction and make development fast and easy


• Steam Linux Runtime solved dependency differential across all distros


• Wide array of mainstream Game Engine support -- Unreal, Unity, Godot, Cry? etc...

Sure, if you were playing the short-game it may have felt underwhelming at the time, but even then for many years we got Rocket League and lots of fun with other games before Epic bought them out and "slaughtered ma boy". Lots of cool Ferral games like all the Tomb Raiders, Dawn of Wars, etc...

Even though we as humans have a inherit need to "See Pasterns" where none exist and like to compare and contrast, now that we are approaching the pinnacle of the new Linux PC Gaming age, it's hard to have the epiphany that Steam Deck is entirely unique and different from it's Generation 1 ancestor and heritage.

I'm really hoping for a Xbox 360-esk, PlayStation 2, Super Nintendo, and what Sega Genesis golden-age since those are all what? 2nd generation consoles? (Technically I realize the 2nd Generation would require Valve expand to another living room device, but the realization is pretty remarkable.)

Godspeed Mr Gaben. Many Thanks for the coming great journey!!! :)

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Quoting: foggerYou can already play those games easily on Linux with DOSBox. I don't know why they are selling those games on Steam or GOG when most of those those games can be downloaded for free, legally, at archive.org.

Who would win? Free and complicated or one click installs.

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Quoting: dpanterMaybe they should come back to Sweden then, we just decided to drop all restrictions and pretend the pandemic is over even though we have several fatalities and hundreds of new cases every day. What can go wrong... :cry:

Have you seen the data on Sweden? (To be blunt: It looks like your most vulnerable -- obese, diabetic & old probably already were taken out, thus the lower death rates in the present)

https://covid.yanoagenda.com/countries/SE/ [External Link]

Quoting: M@GOidI still remember specialists in public health estimating the pandemic would roll for a couple months... Boy did they underestimate the public effort in not cooperating with the recommendations of health organizations.

Agree. Longest 3 weeks of my life. We can thank Wuhan China for that -- after all as I recall, they banned [ Domestic Flights ] but not [ International Flights ].

Quoting: Guestplease stop talking about Covid just talk about game

No. In the context of the news article, the two are inseparable (Although I sympathize with your "burnout" on the topic).

Quoting: Guestwhat is happening in Australia show that restrictions doesn't work

Agree. In fact, as I recall, they found 1/3 of the White Tail Deer population were infected with SARS-nCOV-19-Wuhan-Pnumonia -- what this means is -- the kitten has become a cat & cat's out of the bag -- we can't put the cat back into the bag -- meaning, we can't vaccinate our way out of this -- the animals are infected & the best strategy would be to help the virus mutate into a weak and pathetic version of itself -- this occurs naturally over time (except the antibody dependent enhancement from the vaccines are making it more lethal {think what would happen to viruses if the whole planet took penicillin for a year straight -- we would make them antibody resistant}). They should have reserve vaccines for the vulnerable -- the elderly, those with heart problems, the diabetic, the obese, and other vulnerable groups -- at present for example suicide rates under age 18 from the lockdowns are exceeding the death rates to under 18 from the disease by a exponential amount. Imagine all the anti-social & psychotic behavioural damage we have done to the youngest generation from extreme isolation -- which I thought was a form of torture with imprisonment (solitary confinement). My point is -- events are the product of hysteria & reinforcing political power structure meanwhile doing untold damage -- our strategies aren't working as you pointed out with Australia.

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As someone who has been interested in attending TI, even I would have been aware of the element of risk planning such a complex vacation in a pandemic. I am disappointed in Romania, however I understand they are doing what they think is right.

If I was Valve, I would probably have broken it up into different locations across the continents.

These circumstances are a challenge for companies and individuals alike -- adapt to survive.

Cancelling 2020 was a mistake. Cancelling 2021 would be a mistake. The show must go on. As it was comically pointed out -- host it on a Cruise ship if you have to. Host it in Flordia. Host it remotely (travel can be difficult) presently. But whatever you do -- do NOT cancel it.

People are more socially fragmented than ever before, and bringing them together over entertainment is exactly what the world needs, and a distraction that could bring a lot of wellness and happiness to people's lives. Drop ANY attendance fees, and do whatever it takes to make the game grow in this climate. Every climate creates new opportunity.

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Switching to pipewire was a PITA earlier this year because I didn't know I needed to nuke `~/.config/pulse/` and maybe 1 or 2 other cache directories, but since has been doing just fine 8 Archlinuxes. I use standard Stereo, AUX, HDMI, D-Sub, 5.1, 7.1.

My ex-linux audio recording buddies biggest complaint used to be PulseAudio was terrible & JACK was very difficult to configure and maintain (2016?). They are more hopeful that pipewire is better but yet to try it. It seems like from talking with them they have a renewed interest in Linux especially because of the Steam Deck. I am hopeful that many new talented people develop interest as SteamDeck and Linux in general are amazing development platforms & devices.

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Quoting: MohandevirAll I know is: If this statement is just PR then SteamOS is over, because a lot of people already think that this is just steam machines all over again, and I'm worry that if Steam deck fails, then it'll have a huge negative impact in the progress of games running on linux.

Bruh, you got it all backwards, if people literally make the Steam Machines connection they will immediately have lower-expectations to begin with which will lead to pleasant surprise when it kicks ass.

The Doom & Gloom expectation problem is the same problem as the Hypetrain Choo Choo MF problem -- both are extremes not really grounded in reality.

The Deck is gonna be awesome, just not perfect -- does that clarify. They literally already sold out pre-orders for nearly an entire year. Can you imagine the infusion of developers, gamers, and average users into our community and what that will mean for all kinds of new github projects and the increase volume of gamers demanding support?

We good, homez. 2022 is gonna be lit.

Edit: Seeing some other sentiments in the comments I wanted to comment on

Quoting: whizseYeah, I think I mentioned this before, but it will be interesting to follow media reports. Going by ProtonDB* 82% of games tested work. That's pretty good. But if you focus on the top ten, only 50% work.

See ProtonDB stats 1 comment above and toggle the category drop-down on ProtonDB.com -- both of those numbers are not representative of Proton's capability because they are obviously specifically lower in Multiplayer which have very high levels of DRM. If EAC or BattlEye didn't exist those numbers would be in the 80s and 90s as is seen in other categories like Single Player.

Note to Valve: If you're reading this, please for the love of yourself, DO NOT put any Epic Games blobs in my kernel. It doesn't make sense to give a competitor that kind of power, and it's a potential vector for Epic Games, Timmy Tencent & China to have powers over me as a gamer -- I would appreciate some clarification on this at some point in the future and expect to not literally have a Chinese Root-kit running on my Steam Deck. Thank You.

Also, as we saw when Wacom made a Companion & Mobile Studio that competed with their ex-partner Microsoft Surface Pro (Gen 4?), we saw YEARS of driver issues -- I honestly would not be surprised if Microsoft was purposely sabotaging Wacom devices as they competed with Surface Pro -- we saw Apple sabotage iPhone 6 users and degrade performance for no good reason and then get sued and loose for that exact kind of anti-user thing. I really wouldn't bat an eye if Microsoft found "oopsies" for potential Steam Deck games who might choose to run Windows 10 or 11 -- they need to have the expectation that their Steam Deck experience is not as guaranteed as the official Valve Steam Operating System 3.0

Also, I would appreciate if someday there was a voice interactive AI that we have the GlaDOS announcer do it lol

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Expectations had to be checked sooner or later.

At this time of writing ProtonDB.com reports Gold++ on

Single Player:

Top 10: 90%
Top 100: 89%
Top 1000: 82%

Indie Games:

Top 10: 90%
Top 100: 80%
Top 1000: 76%

Local Multiplayer:

Top 10: 90%
Top 100: 82%
Top 1000: 48%

I suspect the lowest number in Local Multiplayer is 100% due to DRM tech which should be ready around launch time.

To to summarize the numbers, as of September 2021 it's already at 80-90% -- my estimation is that it'll be generally at least 90% or more by launch.

Taking into account Pierre-Loup Griffais' generalized speech, I think his statement is still appropriate as VIRTUALLY all games will work out of box, or at the very least the hardware can do it.

Of course, no one really expects to be playing VR titles like Half Life Alyx, or Beat Saber on their Valve Index Steam Deck -- so if you take what he said with that in context -- it's obvious that it was meant as a generalization or summary of their compatibility & targets. They said themselves that if a game doesn't run, they see it as a "bug" which needs fixing so the future is bright especially considering not even Windows plays 100% of windows games -- many Windows games from the old times don't even run on new Windows.

The only question I have is were we better off grounding ourselves in reality & putting the anchor down now, or popping the bubble later after people had these expectations for a longer period of time.

I think most reasonable and not hype-train people already correctly interpreted reality -- I think we're likely better off since I'd rather have these news articles come out now instead of at launch or post-launch to sour the party punch.

It's sad that we live in a day of clickbait and fearporn to sell news as entertainment, another round of hype videos like the initial ones from VIP before launch could help a lot too.

I think most people's expectations will be met and they will like the device a lot.

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Having thought about it more, I remembered that the screen is 3:2 @ 2256x1504 I consider that a HUGE plus. It has the vertical resolution necessary for programming without DPI scaling . 16:9 was a major mistake and disaster -- the stupid TV manufacturers couldn't even make 16:10 (8:5) catch on because they cheaped out.
3:2 is a big plus.

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I'm really tempted to buy, but same boat -- I know Intel is pretty power efficient and the open source graphics pretty decent for laptop workflow but I just feel like AMD would be better for my OS.

I really admire what they are doing and their engineering seems very impressive and captivating, I would love to buy their stuff at some point.

I guess the biggest question is would I select a System76 or a Frame.work, they both have similar sheek aluminum chassis and appear to be well built.

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Quoting: furaxhornyx

Quoting: ElectricPrismI need a Steam Link so I can wishlist this and give it a closer look.

Here you are [External Link] :wink:

Wonderful, Wishlisted* Definitely will keep an eye on my feed for updates

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