Quoting: TobyGornowPlease, I beg you, stop saying Valve is nice or nicer than Epic it hurts.

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Quoting: TobyGornowMaybe the Orange box was the wrong example ( still an exclusive, You could install Half life 1 without Steam ), take Yakuza 0 instead : you cannot buy it physically, in any way, even if you could you'll be kindly invited to connect on Steam. You can buy it on Humble or elsewhere, sure... and activate it on Steam. In any case, you'll end up on Steam. That's why I said it's time that Valve gets a taste of his own medicine, there is a lot of exclusive on Steam that are not Valve's IP.

That's the publisher's fault for not releasing it anywhere else. That's completely different from what Epic is doing. Other devs release their games on multiple stores.

Same thing dude, Yakuza is tied to Steam as much as Exodus is tied (temporarily) to Epic store, that's simple exclusivity for me, Valve made us and dev captive for too long, today your a big publisher you have to put your catalog on Steam otherwise you'll sell peanuts.
And in Epic case, they just made a cash proposition to Deep silver that was accepted, it's just fair business against a competition using the same tools and again no emotions in business. I repeat it : Deep Silver should suffer a massive boycott of their games but it won't happen, people are sheep waiting to be shaved and then put down. Epic is not at fault here, they are just competing against an enemy in an almost monopolistic position and they need big guns in order to do it. Valve is not a Care Bear, they deserve some hard competition.

Compare it to the only supermarket in town. It has a good relationship with other, smaller stores in the neighborhood, and it even develops stuff usable by them too. Still it might be the only store who sells bananas in the whole area you live in. When someone else opens up a supermarket next to it and claims the whole banana market for itself (say for the next year, prunes is forever), you really think that's the same?

Man, thanks for dumbing it down for me... My Turn : Metro exodus bought on Amazon (or Wherever) and forced to be activated on Epic Store = Exclusivity / Yakuza 0 bought on Gog or Humble (or Wherever) forced to be activated on Steam = Exclusivity.
And because you like to play on words : They are not claiming the whole Banana market just a new variety they PAID for. And again, YOU are right those methods are digusting but common practices in retail or others market, Valve is no stranger to those.

Edit : The friendly local supermarket you described fu***ng killed physical distribution of Pc gaming, nice relationship if you ask me.

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Quoting: TobyGornowSame thing dude, Yakuza is tied to Steam as much as Exodus is tied (temporarily) to Epic store, that's simple exclusivity for me, Valve made us and dev captive for too long, today your a big publisher you have to put your catalog on Steam otherwise you'll sell peanuts.

It's not the same thing. They just chose to go there and use Steam, while you can still buy the game at many other stores.

And I'd be happy for other stores to get Yakuza without the Steam-connection. THQ is doing that for example. You can buy Darksiders 3 pretty much everywhere, which is something Valve promotes.

You can buy Metro Exodus on Amazon or at your local supermarket but will be forced to activate it on Epic Store. Deep silver chose to go with Epic like Sega decided to go with Steam.

Guys, I'm on your side here, just saying that Valve is not the nice player you want him to be and, from my point of view, Proton / SteamPlay is just Valve trying to scrap the bottom of the pot for the last crumbs giving you the illusion they care about you: they are not, they answer only to dollars. Those company are not giving anything for free, believe me I work for one of those big global retail company. And remember you still have your free will to not eat banana, I know it's good but you can live on prunes or apples. Eat local.:wink:

Is there something special with Yakuza?

Usually Valve never asks for any kind of exclusivity. If Yakuza is only available on Steam, it's on the publisher who decided it was the way to go. Nothing prevents them, tomorrow to publish the game somewhere else. That's the major difference with Metro: Exodus and Epic's deal; cash was laid to make sure the game won't be on another store for a complete year.

That's how Valve works, usually, unless there is something special with this game?

No, he just doesn't seem to get that. And it's not even "usually." It's always. Valve never asks for exclusive deals.

Back when they announced the Source 2 Engine (which they still have to release, but that's another topic) they said it will be free for everybody to use, with the only requirement that any game using it ALSO has to be sold on Steam. That's it. That's the opposite of exclusivity.

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Quoting: TobyGornowMaybe the Orange box was the wrong example ( still an exclusive, You could install Half life 1 without Steam ), take Yakuza 0 instead : you cannot buy it physically, in any way, even if you could you'll be kindly invited to connect on Steam. You can buy it on Humble or elsewhere, sure... and activate it on Steam. In any case, you'll end up on Steam. That's why I said it's time that Valve gets a taste of his own medicine, there is a lot of exclusive on Steam that are not Valve's IP.

That's the publisher's fault for not releasing it anywhere else. That's completely different from what Epic is doing. Other devs release their games on multiple stores.

Same thing dude, Yakuza is tied to Steam as much as Exodus is tied (temporarily) to Epic store, that's simple exclusivity for me, Valve made us and dev captive for too long, today your a big publisher you have to put your catalog on Steam otherwise you'll sell peanuts.
And in Epic case, they just made a cash proposition to Deep silver that was accepted, it's just fair business against a competition using the same tools and again no emotions in business. I repeat it : Deep Silver should suffer a massive boycott of their games but it won't happen, people are sheep waiting to be shaved and then put down. Epic is not at fault here, they are just competing against an enemy in an almost monopolistic position and they need big guns in order to do it. Valve is not a Care Bear, they deserve some hard competition.

Compare it to the only supermarket in town. It has a good relationship with other, smaller stores in the neighborhood, and it even develops stuff usable by them too. Still it might be the only store who sells bananas in the whole area you live in. When someone else opens up a supermarket next to it and claims the whole banana market for itself (say for the next year, prunes is forever), you really think that's the same?

Man, thanks for dumbing it down for me... My Turn : Metro exodus bought on Amazon (or Wherever) and forced to be activated on Epic Store = Exclusivity / Yakuza 0 bought on Gog or Humble (or Wherever) forced to be activated on Steam = Exclusivity.
And because you like to play on words : They are not claiming the whole Banana market just a new variety they PAID for. And again, YOU are right those methods are digusting but common practices in retail or others market, Valve is no stranger to those.

Edit : The friendly local supermarket you described fu***ng killed physical distribution of Pc gaming, nice relationship if you ask me.

Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: TobyGornowSame thing dude, Yakuza is tied to Steam as much as Exodus is tied (temporarily) to Epic store, that's simple exclusivity for me, Valve made us and dev captive for too long, today your a big publisher you have to put your catalog on Steam otherwise you'll sell peanuts.

It's not the same thing. They just chose to go there and use Steam, while you can still buy the game at many other stores.

And I'd be happy for other stores to get Yakuza without the Steam-connection. THQ is doing that for example. You can buy Darksiders 3 pretty much everywhere, which is something Valve promotes.

You can buy Metro Exodus on Amazon or at your local supermarket but will be forced to activate it on Epic Store. Deep silver chose to go with Epic like Sega decided to go with Steam.

Guys, I'm on your side here, just saying that Valve is not the nice player you want him to be and, from my point of view, Proton / SteamPlay is just Valve trying to scrap the bottom of the pot for the last crumbs giving you the illusion they care about you: they are not, they answer only to dollars. Those company are not giving anything for free, believe me I work for one of those big global retail company. And remember you still have your free will to not eat banana, I know it's good but you can live on prunes or apples. Eat local.:wink:

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Spoiler, click me

Edit: Anyway, this game cannot be cannon... Didn't Artyom died at the end of Last Light?! :)

Spoiler, click me

He certainly did in my playthrough; though I took it to mean that I couldn't gather enough 'karma' (or whatever) to get the best ending. I've heard (where? how? no idea) that in the most bestest optimal ending there's a hint that he may have survived the final onslaught.

Quoting: MalHonestly, from Valve, why even bother? They won't change business model just because of Epic. They know that it doesn't work in the long run. Gabe might just sit quietly and wait The Pirate Bay to does its job.

Which is a shame because a healthy competitor that forces Valve to raise the quality of its ecosystem is very much needed.

Quoting: TobyGornowJust want to add that you were forced to create a Steam account in order to play CS and Half-life when you bought the Orange Box. For me Epic is just giving Valve a taste of his own medicine.
How pissed I was at the time but little by little, I was buying less physical copy from my brick & mortar retailer (Bankrupt today) and now I have more than 400 titles in my library just because it was cheaper. Did I do that alone ? Don't think so...

It's evolution of the market, maybe Valve has been too greedy, the new player is strong and full of arguments, who will survive ?

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Quoting: rat2000Yes well the internet has a memory span of a couple of hours, when the game is out the very people that wrote there will install the launcher and buy the game... not all of them, but enough of them for deep silver to still earn enough profit to sleep with Epic again...

Before taking that as granted, I would like to see Steam's sales figure for this game. The damage might already be done. I can't say for sure, but add to this some form of boycott and Epic might not break even in this deal. Deep Silver might even come to the realization that the game sold much better on Steam.

Time will tell...

They will buy it. They dont have the "Willpower" to withstand it.

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You don't get my point. If they bought it on Steam, they won't buy it on Epic. I just don't know the proportion. And if a quarter of the users that claim they won't buy it stand to their claims (just like on your pic) it's another blow.

Edit: By the way, the group on your pic has 31 pages. Taking the first page is not a significative sample, imo.

Just in case you didnt notice i did not made that Picture. Just google modern warfare 2 boycott and there are tons of those Pictures. I just used it to show that even when ppl say "i wont buy it" they will buy it. The same thing is with EA all say EA is so bad and their games are bad but they still sell like hot cakes.

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Quoting: rat2000Yes well the internet has a memory span of a couple of hours, when the game is out the very people that wrote there will install the launcher and buy the game... not all of them, but enough of them for deep silver to still earn enough profit to sleep with Epic again...

Before taking that as granted, I would like to see Steam's sales figure for this game. The damage might already be done. I can't say for sure, but add to this some form of boycott and Epic might not break even in this deal. Deep Silver might even come to the realization that the game sold much better on Steam.

Time will tell...

They will buy it. They dont have the "Willpower" to withstand it.

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Quoting: rat2000Yes well the internet has a memory span of a couple of hours, when the game is out the very people that wrote there will install the launcher and buy the game... not all of them, but enough of them for deep silver to still earn enough profit to sleep with Epic again...