Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: MohandevirTrue enough. Forgot about flatpaks and snap apps too. Still, I don't know how they can handle non-free games to stay legit...

Same as POL / Lutris do I suppose. They provide scripts to set up the environment for Wine, but you still need to provide the installer for the actual game first.

It always comes to the same thing: You need to provide the windows installer. This is not a solution for beginners. Maybe snap apps and/or flatpaks will appear in online stores, in the futur, but is there any advantages to a standard wine-wrapped game?

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Quoting: nox

Quoting: MohandevirThinking about my 10 years old son setting up DXVK and wine to play a game... Not. He's going to switch back to the PS4 in 2 seconds.

While this isn't completely relevant to the ideas that are being discussed:
Honestly, now that lutris installers are starting to adopt it we aren't far away from where a 10 year old can easily install DXVK+wine+a game.

True enough. Forgot about flatpaks and snap apps too. Still, I don't know how they can handle non-free games to stay legit...

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: MohandevirEdit: Thinking about it, even if there is a middleman to support the game, for those that needs wants it, nothing prevents you from downloading the Windows version and hack DXVK + Wine to your need. One doesn't forbide the other. Linux as always been about choices. :)

To be clear, I have nothing against supported releases, I prefer them even. Since it shows that developers care about Linux gaming if they support the game. I was just pointing out, that in a way, Wine gives us more choice than some publishers who decide what to release for Linux (and where), and what not.

And, for my part, I use DXVK + Wine to play Witcher 3. :D

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: MohandevirYou are right. Wine makes it viable. This is where it ends. It will never show up on GoG store, Steam and the likes, in this state.

Sure, but that goes back to my previous point - you don't need extra middlemen, if you already can play it. Some like this formal "it's supported" idea, and sure, it's good. But not necessary often :) Linux was always about doing something without gatekeepers telling you how to, so this fits the idea well.

Thinking about my 10 years old son setting up DXVK and wine to play a game... Not. He's going to switch back to the PS4 in 2 seconds.

This said, I totally understand your point of view but it's only acceptable for the 0.5% of gamers that likes to hack the system. The true gamers, that will make Linux a viable gaming platform, just wants to "plug & play". Without a middleman to officially support the game, it's dead in the water.

Edit: Thinking about it, even if there is a middleman to support the game, for those that wants it, nothing prevents you from downloading the Windows version and hack DXVK + Wine to your need. One doesn't forbide the other. Linux as always been about choices. :)

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: MohandevirMore than that, an update on an unsuported game may totally break wine support at any moment. Want non-techy users to deal with that?

Sure, but so can the game break, after porters aren't supporting it anymore. So what has higher chances to last longer? I'd bet on the FOSS option in such case. It doens't mean I propose to always use Wine instead of native rewrites, but simply point out that Wine makes it very viable without porters involved already.

You are right. Wine makes it viable. This is where it ends. It will never show up on GoG store, Steam and the likes, in this state. Like it or not, in 2018, this is the name of the game, unless your goal is to keep Linux an elitists platform that only tech-savy people use. If that is your point of view, fine, but this discussion is pointless; we have diverging goals, from the start.

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More than that, an update on an unsuported game may totally break wine support at any moment. Want non-techy users to deal with that?

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: MohandevirAs long as there is an entity in charge of maintaining the build, just like Feral does, personnally, I'm fine with that.

Why do you need some entity to tell you "it's playable" if it's already playable without any entity?-) But in essence what's good is attention of developers to Linux market in general, that's about it. Other than that, you don't need any entities like Feral if you already can play the game. Especially if they would limit you in some way.

Because this is your personnal situation that is absolutely not viable for the mass market. Without official support, Linux gaming will stay a sub 1% marketshare platform and this is what we have to get out of.

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80Damn witcher 3 is almost completely playable now, thats amazing and also a little worrying that devs are seeing this progress and just saying yup we dont even need to port it we can release a wine wrapper or just not bother and the community and the wine & dxvk teams will make it playable for those guys and ms will continue to rake in the licence fees for dx12.

Looking at it the other way... If (and there is a lot of them), as an example, GoG decides to use DXVK + Wine, wraps The Witcher 3 with home made hacks, get good performances out of it and put it's official support stamp on it... Is it that bad? As long as there is an entity in charge of maintaining the build, just like Feral does, personnally, I'm fine with that.

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This:

"The nice thing about Linux is that it provides a fairly neutral platform from which you can then go to other platforms."

What does it means? The game is developped on Linux? If so, it should be well known in the industry. Ok, Ashes of the Singularity is not a perfect example, but am I wrong to think that it should make things easier when it comes to Linux ports too?

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Nice! Wishlisted!

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