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Quoting: elmapulthat make things... interesting.
google is struggling to sell stadia, so steam is quite important for chromebook gamers, google will have to work harder on making sure steam work flawless on chromebooks (aka, make sure their sandbox for linux native apps dont have any major flaw) if they want to enter the operating system market.

Now imagine if Stadia would have gotten the publishers to publish the native Linux version of the games running on Stadia how much easier it would be for Google to have some games on their Chromebooks right now :-)

So who feels like they're only going ahead with this because Stadia is failing?

Maybe, but the Borealis project was started a while ago... Even before Stadia's official release, if my memory doesn't fail me... It might be a factor explaining why they are giving up that quickly on Stadia, though.

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Quoting: Liam DaweWhile we sit and attempt to wait patiently

Emphasis mine. Yeah, exactly this. It feels like time as slowed since original announcement. :grin:

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Awesome!

Aside from the Steam Deck, it's probably the other big Linux initiative that could push Linux adoption, imo. The Borealis "container" was (last time I checked) an Ubuntu VM, so it still helps getting games running on Linux, even if you are not a fan of Google.

Thing is, Chromebooks have a much bigger audience than Linux desktop. So, let's wait and see what kind of Chromebooks will be available for that kind of use-case and if there is a lot of interrest for gaming in the Chromebook user pool (or if it will draw new gamers to the platform).

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Quoting: STiATThey break stuff on a regular base. I am using it as a daily driver too since 1998 (1 year break using Budgie though), and have been contributing to KDE for some years (I do not any longer).

I think it's actually the same year for me. I installed Debian in 1998, and I cannot remember ever having used anything but KDE for more than trying out something. Of course, I did get a share of bugs and crashes in 23 years...

Quoting: STiATAnd thats just a few of those I experienced in the past 6 Month only using stable releases.

... but if your list is from half a year, I'm really surprised. I get my usual problem after updating nvidia drivers, sometimes write permissions when mounting my phone are wrong, but I think that's about it. I had a bigger problem with the database thing (akonandi?) going wild over my data in I guess the last but one Debian update, but that's at least half a decade ago. Maybe using Debian stable and not the latest release anymore is helping me.

Thing is, they all have bugs, depending on use case... It's only a matter of determining what is a game breaker bug, for you and then choose your desktop accordingly. :grin:

Example: Screen flickering while using Steam Link, on Gnome, is a game breaker for me.

Edit: And my personnal experience seems to point in the direction of graphics drivers, more often than not. Some bugs seem to be exclusive to AMD and others to Nvidia. But I didn't do an extensive search on the matter.

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Quoting: MohandevirIn the meantime, a quick check showed me that Ubisoft got 14 pages of upvotes in 3 days... Don't know if that mean much, though, for such a big company...

just compare to other things in their forum to see if its a big deal or not

Sure, but my "balloon" got deflated when I realised it was a player request that triggered the answer. I don't know why, probably bad reading from my part, I tought it was a Ubisoft initiative to gauge interrest in its user base... Nope! Another "Please add Linux/Proton support" thing that we have already seen a thousand times... At least, they took the time to answer, instead of flatout ignoring it, like they usually do, but it puts more doubt in Ubisoft's motivations to go forward. Maybe, because of the Steam Deck, it will be different this time, but...

Oh well, time will tell... I think I'm exhausted... When are the Holidays, this year? :grin:

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In the meantime, a quick check showed me that Ubisoft got 14 pages of upvotes in 3 days... Don't know if that mean much, though, for such a big company...

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Quoting: GuestI'm just simply saying this right here isn't really news of any value to us.

On this point, I totally agree... It's a GOL news in absolute, but Ubisoft is not trageting us, I'm quite sure of that. If it wasn't for the Steam Deck, Ubisoft would have continued to ignore us.

Edit: "Trial balloon". That's the expression I was looking for... Doesn't cost much and doesn't get you engaged.

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Quoting: F.UltraI think that we all should just calm down a bit here. This is not Ubisoft making any form of statement, this is just some poor sod working as a support rep at Ubisoft trying to answer a request in a friendly way. This rep have zero insight into what Ubisoft are planning to do or not to do, so all he/she can do that doesn't sound negative is to say "well why don't you all write down that you want it and then I could send that list upwards".

Ubisoft have 19000+ employees, there are probably max 40 of them that have any knowledge of their direction and support reps are way way down on the ladder.

Who's not calm? You wanna know the worse way to de-escalate a problem? Tell people that are not calm to calm down. it's what not to do 101 when trying to de-escalate a problem. Good thing is, nobody seems overly upset here, just some people with passionate views.

And even if I tried to show that there may be another angle to see things (devil's advocate), he still may be right... Never pretended I detain the truth.

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Quoting: ObsidianBlkHere's the funny part, to me...
By merely making this statement, Ubisoft is admitting they're seeing potential that a lot of gamers could be buying the Steam Deck. The stupid part is, I'm betting a vast majority of gamers that get Steam Deck are not going to be Linux users, and, therefore, may have no idea that BattleEye isn't enabled for Linux/Proton and, by extension, Steam Deck. The average gamer may not even equate the two. You'll get a bunch of people buying the awesome looking Steam Deck "console" and be utterly flummoxed when their BattleEye-using Ubisoft game won't run at all because Ubisoft basically only asked Linux users (those paying the closest bit of attention) to post in their forums.

In the end, it's going to look like, to Ubisoft, that virtually none of their player base wants this game on the Steam Deck while the reality is, the vast majority of players that'd be playing on the Steam Deck won't even realize BattleEye and Proton are an issue they need to care about at the moment.

So, I'm not sure of Ubisofts game here. Is their intention to hurt the Steam Deck (and/or Valve) by explicitly setting up something that's going to make the demand seem low... or are they just stupid?

Much clearer said like this. What will do the average Steam Deck user? Probably storm Ubisoft's forums with support requests? Maybe... But I think it as more to do with bad planning than "evil scheming". :grin:

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Quoting: GuestWhat's stupid is asking a bunch of Linux users to go create an account on your forum to go post a +1 for Proton support

I get your point. I was just saying that I don't think it's only a taunt. I really think they did that to "monitor" the success of the Steam Deck and what could be in it for them.

They have tools behind the scenes on Steam to see all those numbers. This is just theater.

Mmmm... To what purpose? Because, if I think reverse and I'm a Steam Windows user that already got a Ubisoft catalogue in my Steam library and I'm interrested into buying a Steam Deck... How does it shows in the internal Steam stats?

Someone saying they are buying a Deck doesn't mean they actually will do what they said. The data in the forum is 100% baseless and useless info. The tools behind the scenes that I spoke about tell them how many players use Proton etc, which is far more valuable info than random people saying they will do something that they haven't done yet.

Yep, but if I'm a Windows user that reserved a Steam Deck, I'm not using Proton and doesn't show up on any internal stats... Am I wrong?

You're not wrong there. And you can cancel that steam deck order at any time, making what you said useless. There is no tracking or accountability to a forum post so it doesn't really show any real support for anything.

Imo, the "cancel order" argument can go both ways (Linux or Windows). What I would like to know it's what's the best way to know how many Windows users are manifesting interrest in buying the Steam Deck? I'm quite sure that Ubisoft doesn't care for the actual 1% Linux users. They are searching for a way of finding out how many potential converts the Steam Deck will bring.

The best most cost-effective way I can say would be to send Battleye an email, include support for it and see what shakes out. It can't be any easier than that with Valve doing the tech support for them and the porting. What could be done to make it any easier on them?

Doing that could cause a lot of damage to the game, if it's not well tested and then a breach is found that allows lots of new bots/cheaters... They want to know before investing money in that kind of support. Remember? It's all about money.

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Sounds like if it allows a bunch of bots or cheaters they picked the wrong Anti-Cheat. Anti-cheat is officially supported so it's no different than any other platform at this point.

Imo, that piece of tech is too young for that. Like all new technologies there is a testing phase, if we ever come to the point where AC Proton support can be considered 100% thrustworthy. There is too much money involved.

Game development companies pay anti-cheat companies to offset their resources because they're two totally separate industries. UbiSoft isn't testing against cheats often unless something is off and they're trying to figure it out, which then they would take it up with Battleye. Battleye has released a fully supported version of their anti-cheat to work with Proton, it's no different than any other platform. Saying that there is worry about a new version of Battleye says you are worried the company you paid for anti-cheat support is not doing a good job. I don't feel this has anything at all to do with it.

The only thing I can tell you it's if I was an online game developper, I wouldn't install any AC (Proton or not) without thorough testing... You never put any untested piece of tech on a production system... Ever! Basic IT. Some part of your own software may interfere with the tech and create problems. Proton AC support may be supported, but it doesn't work at kernel level. Completely different approach. It requires testing.

I'll leave it at that.

It's always good to run through a test, but it's a button click to active support. It's not changing their code. But sure, they should test the game with it running a bit. You're making a mountain out of a molehill though. Ark and Arma 3 already have it enabled.

Rust too... They were in the original testing pool, when Valve announced they were working on AC Support in Proton... 2 years ago?

Rust uses EAC, which does require updating the SDK and enabling support via the portal. Battleye needs NO code changes at all, just an email. Siege uses Battleye so they will not need to make a single code change, they just need to enable support.

Fair enough... Forgot it was EAC.

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