Quoting: AnzaI think his point was to represent average user.

But he didn't stumble on an average issue either. This particular issue is like winning at the lottery. It was a major fumble by Pop_OS! that, more than likely, will never happen again. It's not like, 10 years ago, running an ATI GPU would invariably confront you with major display issues because of bad drivers or network cards (Broadcom to name one) that were unsupported because there was no drivers available at all. This issue is absolutely not representative of what it is to run Steam on Linux. It's a sad bug that shouldn't have happened, that was taken out of context, imo.

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:cry: :wink:

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Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: GuestAlso, who actually ignores warning messages and proceeds regardless?

People wanting to prove a point. The less cynical answer: "Windows people that are conditioned to ignore things like UAC and just click next->next->next regardless".

Must take into account that warning messages in Windows usually means next to nothing, even, in some cases, for the tech savies. Thus, the Next->Next->Next and then look at the damages. Then do a search with the error message and the resulting behavior and you might find a solution that has absolutely no link to the said original message... :grin:

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Quoting: MohandevirIt's just sad... Bad timing.

Bad timing indeed, sadly what a missed opportunity for Pop!_OS (God!...this name!) to show its value. (as a side note, I felt so vindicated when Linus agreed that it has a "spectacularly stupid name").
Nevertheless, I hope is gonna try it again, from the looks of it (from what I gather watching their WAN's) Linus already probably butchered his Manjaro install because he didn't liked Dolphin or something.
I think it deserves a second chance.

Seriously, from my experience, Pop_OS! is probably the easiest distro for managing Steam, Lutris and all gaming related stuff. It's all one click installs. It does deserves a second chance. It is a missed opportunity that shouldn't have happened, caused by an error that probably happens once per decade (might be exagerating here). I'm not blaming anyone, other than the timing. Nobody is perfect.

Edit: We have never seen Steve Ballmer or Bill Gates battling with Windows crashes during Microsoft keynotes either... :huh:

Edit 2: It's all that double standard stuff that irritates me, in cases like this.

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It's just sad... Bad timing. The problem is solved, I read? Took what? Couple of hours to get a fix? How much time would have been required, on Windows, to get a fix for a similar issue? Next tuesday patch? Next month? I must admit that I never witnessed a Windows update bricking a PC or generate a BSOD, either... :huh:

But it's Linux, it doesn't have that margin. It must be nothing less than perfect, accross the board, on all distributions simultaneously, to convince mainstream users.

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What I really like is the fact that there will be graphical presets for the Steam Deck (max performances and battery saving). It's not just a: "It works with Proton". There will be some optimization done. Neat!

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Quoting: GuestGreat irony is that the "special" in many devices is a fairly standardised battery anyway that can easily be replaced if you can pry the device open.

So true... Found a hack for my Nvidia Shield controller where the guy swapped the original batteries with rechargeable Duracell. He soldered the metal strip on them and added some electrical tape to wrap them together. He pretends the charge lasts longer than the brand new original ones.

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Quoting: zen_xenoI'm glad its been indicated that the power pack in the Deck should be replaceable, with a little effort.

I'm pretty fine with that.

Personnally, being forced to change the batteries, in my SC is the part I hate the most. I broke one of the "ejector sticks" in one of them... I can still change the batteries, but I'm in for a hell of a fight. :wink:

Best case scenario: Standard rechargeable batteries that may be recharged with a USB cable, similar to some battery holders for the Xbox 360 controllers.

Edit: This said, I'm not sure you could get 8hours of playtime, on the Steam Deck, with 2 AA batteries... It would require a couple more and add some weight to the device. Don't you think?

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyI know it's bad and all, but I can't make my reaction be anything but "That's hilarious!"

One doesn't prevent the other. :wink:

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It's all just killing DIY. Better to look for a laptop or, in some cases, prebuilt PCs. That's another reason why I really hope that Valve will come up with an Xbox Series S / Playstation 5 kind of PC. Even more with the "good standing account" requirement for reservation. It's still the best solution to prevent scalpers from snatching away all the stocks. For Valve, it could be an opportunity.

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