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Quoting: liamdaweAlso, "unfair" about paying and not having any real access to the files, what's fair about it?
Google has issues? No game.
Your net has issues? No game.

This can be replaced by: "Motherboard failure ($$$), no games, HDD failure ($$), no games, GPU failure($$$$), no games, RAM failure($), no games... Want me to go on? It's all about managing the risks. Both point of view are valid.

None of these failures have happened to me in over 15 years, so it's such a tiny risk that I don't see a reason to even factor it into my game-purchasing decisions. Power or cable failures, on the other hand, happen several times a year, not to mention that sometimes I might want to play a game somewhere without Internet access.

Yeah... Want me to show you my brand new RX580 that I had to send back, 2 months ago?

No hard drive failure in 15 years? Wow! Hardly believable.

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Quoting: MohandevirPeronnally I will probably use Stadia, if the subscription plan is flexible enough, to play games I can't play on my Linux rig. I'm a big fan of the Steam Link app, on my Nvidia Shield which is, by far, the best client I ever tried (and I've tried a lot of them). I'd be really surprised if Stadia was of better quality than that (local streaming vs streaming from internet).

GeForce now is a good alternative for streaming my Steam library from Nvidia's servers, but it seems to run on Windows instances... Yuk!

Now, if Steam could offer something similar to Stadia on a "Stream your Steam library" model. It might ease a part of the 30% cut critics.

Love my Steam Links. They pushed out an update even, not too long ago.

I trust Google about as much as I trust a fart not to stink. Wonder if this will just end up like the playstation plus, where you get some free games each month, but have to pay for the subscription plus whichever game you want to not actually own.

I got 2 Steam Links when they were on sale (5$). Just for the HDMI cable included it was a no-brainer. Lol!
It might be related to my personnal network setup, but I have to admit that my Nvidia Shield is giving me much better streaming performances, with the Steam Link app.

But I understand your distrust of Google. That's why I said that I would use it only if I can't play a game on my rig. It's just that my desire to support Linux gaming is stronger than my Google distrust.

I got my second Link for $5, but had the first one since they were released.

Thought about getting an nvidia shield, but never did. Was going to try the steam link app on the raspberry pi, but haven't yet.

If you have the budget, I highly recommend the Nvidia Shield. I'm an EboxTV (Legal IPTV supplier in Canada) user and it's even better than my supplier's IPTV box in terms of image quality, performances and stability (there's an official EboxTV app for the Shield specifically). That's the first reason why I bought it and I was curious to see GeForce Now in action. Then I tried the Steam link app and I was positively surprised. To me, the Shield is "One device to rule them all". With Kodi and Libretro, it's a complete media box, I have nothing else hooked to my TV, since. That's my personnal experience though. It's always a matter of what you need. :)

Ha, right now I have a Steam Link, Raspberry Pi, PS4 Pro, Switch and Atari 5200 connected to my TV.

Woah! Awesome! ;)

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Quoting: wvstolzingThe latter comparison (Steam-Stadia) is a bit more on point; but the PS2 comparison hardly works at all. Google 'stopping support' for Stadia would correspond to the *possibility* of running anything on a PS2 going away, which entails i) every PS2 in the world evaporating; ii) every copy of every game disappearing so it can't be emulated (or its becoming impossible that an emulator should be developed by reverse engineering).

If your PS2 broke, and you couldn't afford to get a new console, you could still hold on to your games to play them at your friend's house; or save up to get a used PS2 in 2 years; or wait 10 years so an accurate emulator shows up. When something like Stadia 'breaks', you have none of those possibilities.

Totally true! It's just that I never really resolved to these solutions (used or friend's PS2. In my case). As for emulators, it's quite a bet, considering all the legal stuff involved. I was referring to PS2 when Sony stopped producing them, but in a more general view (all PS2 disapearing of a sudden), it effectively doesn't make sense.

But my point is that there was (with the PS2) and there is (with Stadia) the possibility of loosing your game library.

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From Kotaku:

"Google says it’ll be one user per Stadia account, tied to your Google ID—you can have a guest account for splitscreen, but other than that, no sharing. (Update (2:43pm): A Google spokesperson reached out to say that family sharing is coming in the future.)"

Source:
https://kotaku.com/everything-we-learned-today-about-google-stadia-update-1835294433

Bold on me. I like Steam family sharing pretty much.

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Quoting: EhvisIf Stadia stops supporting it

That's my whole point. We don't know. There are still missing pieces in the puzzle. If they plan to stop supporting games, I hope, at least, that prices will be lower, like renting. Either way, it makes it much less interresting. That's obvious.

Or you meant if Google stops supporting Stadia? Well... Just like in the old days, when a PS, PS2 broke down and you couldn't buy an new one. Game Library gone. The PC gamers are lucky, in that aspect.

This said, if Stadia is a success, there is no reason to stop supporting it. Google+ was shutdown because nobody used it anymore. If Stadia is a failure, who will it hurt? It's going to die in general indifference, like the other projects Google killed. That's the catch 22 I was referring to in a previous post. Imo, it's not a valid argument.

Thinking about it, what could happen, is a change in the conditions (free being not free anymore & price raise on the Pro subscription) because infra costs skyrockets (example). This could make a user reconsider Stadia and eventually make Goodle reconsider the whole thing. But again, it will have become a failure by then.

Edit: Sorry for all the edits.

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Not going to say that you are wrong. I totally understand your point of view. But let me be the Devil's advocate, for a minute...

Quoting: liamdaweIt's not free in any form:
Base Stadia - You buy the games.

It depends on the pricing of each games and the conditions, imo. Will they be ours forever, like Steam, even if it's not sold anymore, or are these games exposed to disapearing from the store like the Netflix model? We have no clues about these aspects, yet. Personnally I expected a subscription plan, similar to Netflix, even for the base option. To me it still an interresting option.

Quoting: liamdaweStadia Pro - You pay monthly, you buy games, you get few select free.

It compares to PS Plus and Xbox pass which are popular options. It's not a new formula and it's much better thant I expected it to be. This said, probably not my bag.

Quoting: liamdaweAlso, "unfair" about paying and not having any real access to the files, what's fair about it?
Google has issues? No game.
Your net has issues? No game.

This can be replaced by: "Motherboard failure ($$$), no games, HDD failure ($$), no games, GPU failure($$$$), no games, RAM failure($), no games... Want me to go on? It's all about managing the risks. Both point of view are valid.

Quoting: liamdaweModding? Haha no.

I don't think Stadia is targeted to the 1% techy educated market share that we represent or even the hardcore gamers that mods, which, I suspect, is not the vast majority. It probably has more appeal to the Xbox and Playstation players or the Windows users that have stopped gaming because of an ageing computer and/or are due for an hardware upgrade.

Personnally I see it as a complement to my Linux rig, for games that will never be playable on my Desktop, because there will be. You know "Stadia Games and Entertainment" produced games?

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Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: MohandevirPeronnally I will probably use Stadia, if the subscription plan is flexible enough, to play games I can't play on my Linux rig. I'm a big fan of the Steam Link app, on my Nvidia Shield which is, by far, the best client I ever tried (and I've tried a lot of them). I'd be really surprised if Stadia was of better quality than that (local streaming vs streaming from internet).

GeForce now is a good alternative for streaming my Steam library from Nvidia's servers, but it seems to run on Windows instances... Yuk!

Now, if Steam could offer something similar to Stadia on a "Stream your Steam library" model. It might ease a part of the 30% cut critics.

Love my Steam Links. They pushed out an update even, not too long ago.

I trust Google about as much as I trust a fart not to stink. Wonder if this will just end up like the playstation plus, where you get some free games each month, but have to pay for the subscription plus whichever game you want to not actually own.

I got 2 Steam Links when they were on sale (5$). Just for the HDMI cable included it was a no-brainer. Lol!
It might be related to my personnal network setup, but I have to admit that my Nvidia Shield is giving me much better streaming performances, with the Steam Link app.

But I understand your distrust of Google. That's why I said that I would use it only if I can't play a game on my rig. It's just that my desire to support Linux gaming is stronger than my Google distrust.

I got my second Link for $5, but had the first one since they were released.

Thought about getting an nvidia shield, but never did. Was going to try the steam link app on the raspberry pi, but haven't yet.

If you have the budget, I highly recommend the Nvidia Shield. I'm an EboxTV (Legal IPTV supplier in Canada) user and it's even better than my supplier's IPTV box in terms of image quality, performances and stability (there's an official EboxTV app for the Shield specifically). That's the first reason why I bought it and I was curious to see GeForce Now in action. Then I tried the Steam link app and I was positively surprised. To me, the Shield is "One device to rule them all". With Kodi and Libretro, it's a complete media box, I have nothing else hooked to my TV, since. That's my personnal experience though. It's always a matter of what you need. :)

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Quoting: wintermuteI'm reading through the footnotes on the Google Stadia page:

QuoteStadia Controller requires a Wi-Fi® network and a mobile device running Android 6.0, Marshmallow or later, or iOS 11 or later.

Does this mean it won't be possible to use the controller/stream games directly with/to a PC?

Probably not, they probably developed only an Android driver for it. Still, I'm curious to know what will be the price of a controller alone, not included in any form of package.

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Quoting: kompressorHey guys,

Dev who made the post here.

Support is IMO the best metric. I totally agree. If it runs well, doesn't crash, gets regular updates - those are the things I think are vital.

Proton and Wine have done an incredible job making Linux gaming bloom like I've never seen before. Talented porters have always been around but they have a really tough hill to climb - they have to hand port, test, and release each title individually. This is really high friction! Proton isn't perfect, of course, but for zero cost, zero effort I'd submit it is INCREDIBLE. I didn't even realize there WAS a Linux port until I looked into Proton.

I can't overstate that. This is, by far, the game with the most positive feedback on the Linux port that I've ever worked on. That's inclusive of the comments in the forums and here, many of which are obviously critical in one way or another. And that includes games that did ship with hand-built Linux support!

In my eyes, shipping hand-built Linux releases means giving you a product that is updated less often, tested less well and which takes more effort/money all around. Games can get dropped on the floor - we see it all the time. But Proton is a lot more likely to have good Unity support and be updated for many years to come. I'd bet on Valve over the average longevity of an indie studio every time.

You can take away from this what you will - either that I'm dismissing the key issues or that I'm being pragmatic - but what I see is Linux support that is easy for us and that works well for our users. And that makes me happy.

Thanks for reading.

Nice to see a dev post on this forum. #Thumbsup

Curiosity... Is officially supporting Proton, for future games, something that you may consider?

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Quoting: GuestFor stadia pro (which will be the sole option in November 2019) you will have to fork 129.99 $ Then, after three months 9 $ a month. That's steep.

Clearly for the Google fanboys and early adopters that wants to brag about it. :)

Edit: Or those that need the controller.

Personally, I see it as a good complement to my Linux rig, with the free access, when available. And at that time, we will probably have a good idea in which direction it's headed.

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