Quoting: EWGThis doesn't change the fact that I won't be supporting them but, I'm glad they'll be supporting GNU+Linux. Newcomers and fans of their games will be able to migrate over.

Yes, well, I'll be significantly less un-excited when they actually do support GNU+Linux, rather than just planning to.

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Quoting: GuestAs for Valve, they should have developed their own gaming-centric DE as the Deck's desktop experience is dire at best.

Here's hoping they eventually re-base to Nobara, with their own DE.

Yeah, that's not happening. With the gargantuan mountain they're moving, they HAVE to work with partners or nothing will get done. Valve has a lot of resources to be sure, but they can't build everything on their own. Happened with Proton, and naturally happened with their DE as well.

Even system76 and Budgie leverages existing tech, but whereas they both get to focus on one thing at a time, Valve has to make sure that not only everything works perfectly for gaming and whatever else users might do with their device, they still need to move fast as well or the Chinese brands will eat into the market they've expanded.

Between GNOME and KDE to partner with, KDE is just a natural choice for them. GNOME devs are notoriously hard to work with, if you don't align with the same vision and goals as them. KDE on the other hand is pretty content with building on what they have without breaking user's usecase. Sometime's that's not elegantly done, but it's better than having a headache every other major GNOME releases (unless you don't personalize anything, which is dumb because you try giving Fedora to a total Windows-normie).

Also, Arch is a pretty sensible choice. They are literally building their own platform to get away from the existential threat that is Microsoft, why would they let themselves be beholden to another company? And Nobara is new, it's driven by an experienced dev, sure, but it's new, it doesn't have the same community size as Arch, and it's still mainly reliant on a single dev. Saying SteamOS should be based on Nobara is absurd.

The simple fact is that Valve is a company who has to ship actual products and they are not incumbents to the game - they have to take the pragmatic choices here. And I'd rather they do that and make results everyone can benefit from over pulling yet another Steam Machine/Controller/Link.

As the biggest seller of Windows games, remind me how exactly are Valve "getting away" from Microsoft?
Oh that's right, they're not.

I think that doesn't really address much of anything the reply to you said, and in itself it is a misleading comment which vastly oversimplifies a complex situation.

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Slitherine, inc.? Would they even sell to a mudblood like me?

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Quoting: GroganAlso, when the native ports get broken (which they usually will, if not updated) it's damned nice to be able to fall back to Proton.

Makes me think there should be a Proton/Wine/Whatever for making Linux programs run on Linux . . .

I mean, the thing about Wine+Proton is, it's designed not just to mimic any given snapshot of Windows, but to mimic a whole bunch of different Windowses over time. Part of the complexity of using it is about figuring out which Windows you should mimic, which is part of the point of things like Bottles or PlayonLinux, which set up different profiles appropriate to different software you're running.

But typically, Linux distributions are just being that particular distribution at that particular point in time. If you had some way to easily give older programs, particularly older closed source programs such as games, the stuff they expect in terms of libraries and sound stuff and so on, that might be kind of cool. Something like a Flatpak with everything except the application itself, and a framework for stuffing things like your old native Linux games into the Flatpak-ish environment that is right for them.

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Quoting: const

Quoting: itsNottingWhat about the updates in discover in Steam Deck? KDE updates (and others) are popping up.

Can I just simply update the individual parts of the OS? Or will they be handled by the SteamOS updates through gaming mode?

Depends on your filesystems rw state. If everything but home is readonly, you can't update anything but flatpaks from discover. I'd wait for the official update from valve, though I really want to try it :)

Everyone should keep in mind that flatpak does have updates for libraries... but they don't touch the OS level libraries, they're just for that particular user. It's to try to solve the issue that most mac software and Windows software has, where you end up with many copies of the same libraries as they're bundled with all the things. Look at any of the flatpaks for Gnome applications, they pull in 'gnome.platform' or whatever it's called. I end up having to go through and clean up old versions of those, as flatpak doesn't seem to do a fantastic job of it on it's own...

So you're saying it's to try (and fail) to solve the problem . . .

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I just had to do it :tongue:

What movie is that? Looks like sort of sci-fi flick.

Star Wars Episode 3 Revenge of the Sith

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I was joking.
For me, Star Wars ended with the initial trilogy. I manged to watch the following... Ja Ja something one, but it felt like the magic was gone, and I never had the desire to watch the rest.

The original one is the best anyway, though i personally also like the Prequel trilogy. But the Sequel trilogy by Disney? That one can go straight into the bin.

The prequel trilogy has its points. I, for one, have gotten plenty of mileage out of telling my significant other that I love her because she's not like sand. :tongue:

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Quoting: PhlebiacWhat happens when the host creature gets an itch, and rolls over to scratch all those pesky parasites on its back?

Given its biology, I'm not sure it can roll over. :dizzy:

I'm kinda interested in how your villagers get up there in the first place though—the game kinda glosses over it.

Yeah, while I was watching I was thinking, OK, if it lets its tail drag sometimes you could probably get on there and walk up to the back . . .

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Quoting: Theodis

Quoting: Purple Library GuyAt this point I'm not sure what you're complaining about--are you saying that it's DRM if you can't download the game again from a company that's gone under?

The problem is that you might have a downloaded copy saved, but it might not be installable after the company goes under. It's not like a GoG situation where even if GoG goes under, the installers still work and the game is still playable.

Ah, that's an interesting point.

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Quoting: torhamespecially since they will shutdown their servers at some point.

You only need to login once, you can continue to play offline if the servers shutdown. I verified it a little while ago, the offline mode kicks in after 10 seconds of no response from the server.

If you need to reinstall or lose your game files for any reason you will need to reauthenticate before playing, you may need to do this for a number of reasons. For most users this will be a problem, since most do not keep proper game backups and may not know how to restore old game files. Personally, I'm not willing to encourage this behavior by developers. I hope they will remove this limitation in the future.

At this point I'm not sure what you're complaining about--are you saying that it's DRM if you can't download the game again from a company that's gone under?

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Quoting: torhamNot sure what a B2P game is, but yes the Steam client is also a DRM implementation because you cannot install or play your game without reaching out to 3rd party servers for permission.

Not without reaching out . . . but for all the games I play, the reaching out doesn't have to be successful. So like, you have to have the Steam client on your computer (although there's probably a workaround for that), but it does not have to successfully phone home. If I have no internet connection and start a Steam game, it tries to contact Steam, then whines that it couldn't and grumpily asks if I want to play in offline mode.
I'm not clear that you can really call that DRM--it doesn't enforce anything.

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