Quoting: ShmerlAfter all sales matter more than dumb control freakery.

Sacrilege!

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Quoting: ShadowXeldronThat was well timed. I've actually been considering a distrohop on my laptop to something KDE-based recently. I've just installed Plasma on top of Mint 21 for Wayland support but it's only KDE 5 which does irk me a bit. I haven't currently got the means to back up all my data though which has held me back a fair bit.

Since Mint doesn't really support KDE in the first place, if you're going to install it couldn't you install any KDE you wanted to?

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Quoting: PhiladelphusSeems a bit optimistic to call it The Last Plague. :tongue:

Anthropocentric, really. Perhaps should be The Last Human Plague. :grin:

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Quoting: Cyril

Quoting: slaapliedjeUhm, what? The richest companies on the planet are ALL on the Left. Microsoft, Google, Apple.

(What a thread huh?)

No, you can't believe that, do you? You're just kidding, right? I'm afraid you're not...
Or you really have a strange definition of what left is, and it's surely not what is mine...

https://youtu.be/3GE3HoJMEMw?si=oqEisCOMSLFgb_1I [External Link]

That appears to be a 2 hour video about how Google use their ability to direct people's eyeballs via their control of search, to subtly influence people. Sure, fine, I'm totally willing to stipulate that, known about that for years. How does that make them "left"? They use that power against the left.

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Purple Library GuyMostly, they just talk about stuff that you can see confirmed in mainstream media . . . they just talk about (whatever it is) a whole lot and the mainsteam media talk about (whatever it is) only a very little bit, because both are talking about the facts that fit their narrative and analysis. This difference is largely because the far left has no money (which in turn is because they're by definition the enemy of the people who have all the money). The far right has the dough to amplify false messages enough to get traction, but the far left don't have what it takes to get away with that.

Uhm, what? The richest companies on the planet are ALL on the Left. Microsoft, Google, Apple.

Crazy things from the far-left? Identity politics. Denying biological science, etc. I'm sure I could come up with more, but I need coffee. Denying DNA is basically the equivalent of flat-earth in my mind.

What on earth are you talking about?
So, first of all, identity politics is "liberal"; it's not left at all. But in any case, identity politics has nothing to do with endorsing false facts--note, I didn't say "crazy stuff" which is a pretty subjective value judgement, I said basing ideas on stuff that is not true. Identity politics is all about interpretation and values; whether you endorse it or disagree with it, there's no facts you can point to that getting them wrong is the basis for identity politics. Identity politics is about wanting to treat everyone equally in an unequal world, without making the world itself more equal. This leads to some difficulties and contradictions, but there's nothing wrong with the basic insight that groups are often treated unequally even though everyone is fundamentally equal and it would be nice if that weren't the case.

Denying biological science and DNA . . . um, who is doing this in what way? Is this some kind of weird misinterpretation of what transgender stuff is about, or what? (which, again, would be getting something wrong about liberals, not really leftists) Come on, I gave real and widespread phenomena that were actually about denying facts.

Microsoft, Google and Apple are also arguably liberal. They are in no possible way left. Just to be clear, being on the left is about economic class in one way or another. It's about redistribution of wealth and power to the poorer classes away from people who own things for a living. None of these corps are going to get behind any of that stuff. Google in particular a couple years back rejigged their algorithm to avoid getting socialist websites in search results. Left my ass.

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Quoting: eldakingHmm, a bit disappointed that they list a discrete GPU as requirement.

Well, for security reasons I can understand them wanting you to steer clear of those indiscreet GPUs.

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Cute name.

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Cato-the-younger

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerWhat is false exactly? That the rhetoric of say BLM if used by whites would get them labelled as "white supremacists"?

The rhetoric of BLM is that blacks in the US would really prefer it if cops would stop killing them. It would be weird coming from whites because the cops don't kill them nearly as much.
Really, what are you on?

Lol. If it was just about cops, I would agree. But its not.

And nice job addressing everything else I wrote.

The problem is that pretty much everything else you wrote, all this stuff you think, is also based on weird propaganda that is not actually true about the real world.
There was a time when argument between the left and the right wing, even the fairly far right wing, was more or less possible, since everyone was working with pretty much the same set of facts, maybe emphasizing different ones, but the main dispute was about interpretation and ethical values, models of how it all fit together. I am not young, I remember when it was like that. Since that time, the hard right has gone and invented themselves a different set of "facts" which are just not true . . . there's still some stuff which is "true" if weirdly cherry-picked, like finding some "feminist" nobody has ever heard of doing a rant and then saying "look, this is how feminists think!!1!", but increasingly it's all just made up from nothing, having no relationship to reality in any way. Just simple lies.

It's clever, in the sense that if you want fundamentally decent people to support horrible ideas, probably the most effective way is to give them fake facts that support the horrible ideas instead of the real facts, which don't. But I don't have time or energy to debunk every goddamn weird social media echo-chamber nonsense you've unfortunately absorbed, and you wouldn't believe me if I did. It's a pity, and I'm sorry.

But you have to admit, this happens with both the far-right and far-left. They are sucked so far down their particular rabbit holes due to whatever modern algorithm there is, that the only real way to dig yourself out is try and find multiple fact checking sources.

Ehhh . . . yes and no. Mostly no. Sure, neither the far right nor the far left have perfect information . . . neither does the mainstream centre. You can find systematic falsehoods about certain things in the NYT and WaPo . . . for instance, any Latin American head of state that the United States doesn't like becomes a "dictator" no matter how clean the election was.

But it's not symmetrical. The far left does not by and large have a whole ecosystem of false information and conspiracy theories. Mostly, they just talk about stuff that you can see confirmed in mainstream media . . . they just talk about (whatever it is) a whole lot and the mainsteam media talk about (whatever it is) only a very little bit, because both are talking about the facts that fit their narrative and analysis. This difference is largely because the far left has no money (which in turn is because they're by definition the enemy of the people who have all the money). The far right has the dough to amplify false messages enough to get traction, but the far left don't have what it takes to get away with that.

So there'll be a few memes that travel on the left that turn out not to be real, but it's no more common than on the centre. Whereas the far right have really created this whole set of falsehoods, from "climate change isn't real" to the anti-vax stuff and various other anti-science stuff, to the notion that Democrats are socialists to these weird ideas about "cultural Marxists" (which aren't a thing) to replacement theory and various other conspiracies about immigrants, blacks, feminists, gays et cetera, to stuff about Democrats abducting children to drain their blood . . .

You can't tell me there's a left wing equivalent to all that crap; if you want to try, I want a similar itemized list. The urge to see left/right politics as inherently symmetrical is a problem, because they really aren't.

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This could definitely be my kind of thing. Wishlisted.

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Quite a genre change for Project Hospital developer Oxymoron Games

Very different. Presumably in Project Hospital, the sirens were loud. All those ambulances.

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