so let me get that straight...
they cant produce enough steam deck devices to cover the needs of developers who want to develop for then...
but they expect to produce enough devices to the people who want to buy then?
there are 50.000 games on steam, and considering some devs made more than 1 game, less than 50.000 developers/publishers, i can understand that big companies that need tons of developers to make/port their games are an priority, but how many devices is valve producing?

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so epic donate to SDL or to ryan specifically?

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Quoting: slembcke

write these three lines of code to make a window, and then 2000 more to clear it

Hrm, I'm kind of annoyed with the persistence of this mindset.:unsure: My entire Vk renderer is ~1200 sloc compared to my GL3 renderer at ~900 sloc. Yes, it's more complicated, and I would have been pretty lost if it was my first rodeo. It doesn't take thousands of lines of code to draw a triangle with Vulkan though, and I'm kind of annoyed that people keep saying so and discouraging others to even try it. :(

That said, there's a good 200-300 sloc of any Vk renderer that's just sort of "free" with GL. You don't have to carefully initialize a device to get sane defaults, and you need very little effort to get a framebuffer + sync. Khronos could make a reasonable library to simplify those parts of the API for 99% of the use cases I feel.

afaik the whole point of vulkan is that openGL was abstracting too much stuff, while on vulkan you have to understand what is happening behind the scenes, because those assumptions that the driver/compiler/library did for you, werent the best options in terms of performance.

if we gonna abstract everything again, we might as well just go back to openGL instead.

the same goes for dx12 against 11 and the previous ones.

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"This sounds like a really great project, and hopefully one game developers will appreciate."
one or some?
one developers?

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Quoting: elmapulshit i cant believe i forgot to press send im my previous comment, i only sent it today >.>

Check again. You already sent the same message two days ago. :)

thanks, lets pretend that never hapened...

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shit i cant believe i forgot to press send im my previous comment, i only sent it today >.>

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"attention economy".???

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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: Solitary

Quoting: elmapulomg, they will miss the christmas! this is a HUGE deal, most of the sales happen in christmas!
source:
https://www.vgchartz.com/tools/hw_date.php [External Link]

i hope not many people cancel their pre order because they were planing to give it to someone else as christmas present, and cant anymore!

People who managed to get december date probably didn't buy it by accident and to cancel it afterwards. If they cancel it because of that then I say more and sooner for the rest of us down the line.

fair enough, i just think we cant afford to lose sales, its the do it or die moment for linux gaming.

on the other hand, the less people who nuke steamOS from it to install windows because an certain game didnt worked, the better.
i think they delayed because they realized proton was not ready for the prime time, it still need more games , hopefully they wont delay it again and this will have more positive side effects than negative.

I really wouldn't worry about cancelled orders, if those happen they won't make a dent. There is so much more people at the end of the queue. It shouldn't matter if this product is suppose to be even remotely successful. If few people canceling would be an issue then the whole Deck has bigger problems already. Once it's out and the reviews are favorable (as the teasers and generally reports from people who had the chance to try one) suggest, people will start ordering them more freely.

im using the console market as reference, i know its "an pc" but at the same time, it will be competing with the likes of switch for the consumers pocket.
in the console market, any big mistake that companies do, can kill the product if the companies dont act fast.
its a matter of set things in motion and keep acelerating fast.
an console who is smaller but growing faster may attract more developers than other who already have more sales depending on the difference of numbers.

i know a lot of things are different in that case, i just dont lik e the idea of having to wait another 5 years for valve to try again.

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Quoting: Salvatos

Quoting: elmapulomg, they will miss the christmas! this is a HUGE deal, most of the sales happen in christmas!
source:
https://www.vgchartz.com/tools/hw_date.php [External Link]

i hope not many people cancel their pre order because they were planing to give it to someone else as christmas present, and cant anymore!

1. Nobody was going to decide to buy it this holiday season and get it before next year anyway; the reservations were already booked months ago.
2. If anyone expected to have it delivered before Christmas, they were delusional to begin with. Valve’s original plan was to start taking actual orders from the reservations and shipping them sometime in December, and we all know that global shipping is fucked at the moment, not to mention the usual end-of-year congestion. Basically, if that was their plan, lucky for them that they found out a month early that it was definitely not going to happen.

sometimes i forget that other countries are unlike Brasil, they dont buy stuff at the last minute...

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Quoting: Solitary

Quoting: elmapulomg, they will miss the christmas! this is a HUGE deal, most of the sales happen in christmas!
source:
https://www.vgchartz.com/tools/hw_date.php [External Link]

i hope not many people cancel their pre order because they were planing to give it to someone else as christmas present, and cant anymore!

People who managed to get december date probably didn't buy it by accident and to cancel it afterwards. If they cancel it because of that then I say more and sooner for the rest of us down the line.

fair enough, i just think we cant afford to lose sales, its the do it or die moment for linux gaming.

on the other hand, the less people who nuke steamOS from it to install windows because an certain game didnt worked, the better.
i think they delayed because they realized proton was not ready for the prime time, it still need more games , hopefully they wont delay it again and this will have more positive side effects than negative.

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