Quoting: Cyril

Quoting: elmapuli know that most people will not care on that aspect so they have no reason to rely on google, but think for an moment: how many of those discontinued google products were paid?

Are you trying to say that it's not a big deal because it was free (of money)?
Because dude, all of that services (same as Facebook...) aren't free, you pay/paid with your data, don't forget their income is mostly ads...
I prefer to lose money than give away my data to any corporations, governments etc.

no, the reason why google discontinued those services was because the business model was to sell ads, but the lower user base means that puting ads on it were not as profitable as to put on facebook and collecting data on it werent any better due to the lack of users.
google discontinued those services because it was an waste of money of their investors to host an service that lose money and to advertisers to announce where no one would see or to data brokers to pay for such useless data.
they were thinking in their customers, the issue is that we werent their customers to begin with.

as they say: "if the service is free, you are the product being sold"
the main difference with stadia is that we are the ones paying something, we are the customers.

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Quoting: no_information_here

Quoting: elmapuli cant wait to see the stadia haters report this... oh wait, they wont, they pretend that stadia dont exists when its a good news, and pretend "its dead with this final nail in the cofin" when its bad news.

stadia has "died" more times than jesus and kuririn at this ṕoint

Well, enjoy your stadia while it lasts:

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/02/report-stadia-undershot-to-the-tune-of-hundreds-of-thousands-of-users/ [External Link]

I am not a 'hater' - I am someone who used (past tense) a lot of different google services over several decades and actually have a working memory, and don't have stockholm syndrome.

The first comment on the Ars Technica article said it succinctly:

It's almost like if you cancel enough consumer-facing projects, consumers won't want to take a chance on your new projects.

yeah i got burned out by then a few times, orkut, googleplus, wave...
stadia isnt even avaliable on my country yet, so i cant decide if i gonna give it a try or not, but i care about being able to play on linux and more people being able to try linux or port their engines (and maybe even games) to linux, so i do care about its future.

i know that most people will not care on that aspect so they have no reason to rely on google, but think for an moment: how many of those discontinued google products were paid?

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i cant wait to see the stadia haters report this... oh wait, they wont, they pretend that stadia dont exists when its a good news, and pretend "its dead with this final nail in the cofin" when its bad news.

stadia has "died" more times than jesus and kuririn at this ṕoint

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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: ageresThe "SDK" for LowRes NX is available on AUR while the core is not yet. You can use lowres-nx to load and play .nx files. I wonder why they decided to use BASIC-like style with bunch of GOTOs instead of something that Dijkstra would have approved.

i guess some of those old games were made in basic, so this move will make old developers confortable and new ones more familiarized on how things used to be

A lot of the commercial games from the early boom in home computers were programmed in BASIC. The most notable that come to mind are Ultima 1 and 2. I'm willing to bet that a BASIC-like language would especially appeal to the generation that was exposed to BASIC as children, and now want to tinker with their children.

i was refering to console games, i know it was used on pc, but i didnt thought much about it, since were talking about an console...
i'm not sure if the consoles were strong enough to run games made with it

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Quoting: ageresThe "SDK" for LowRes NX is available on AUR while the core is not yet. You can use lowres-nx to load and play .nx files. I wonder why they decided to use BASIC-like style with bunch of GOTOs instead of something that Dijkstra would have approved.

i guess some of those old games were made in basic, so this move will make old developers confortable and new ones more familiarized on how things used to be

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not really an anime, like avatar or even castlevania, this show borrow the anime asthetic and maybe is done by an japanese studio, but that dont means its an "anime".
i know that for the japaneses this word refer to any animation, not only those made on japan, but i dont think this will have much of an appeal to the japanese market or the internation otaku audience, only for those who know nothing about anime except for a few popular shows (naruto and whatever the cable tv aired).

now i'm not saying that this will be an shit show...
but i have 0 interest in seeing it, and after seeing the trailer, my interest raised to -1 .

i dont play dota, but that is not the main issue.

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wait, in house porting? or they are doing an partnership with feral/others?

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Quoting: GuestThe internet: Stadia is dead, it will be in the Google graveyard in a few months

Google: We're gonna give you 100+ games this year

The internet: *crickets*

The amount of reactionary doom mongering and told you sos in the past 2 weeks compared with the silence from the same people now speaks volumes. They are little more than hate for clicks peddlers

its funny that they say that stadia is dead multiple times, i wonder how many times they can say that before people start realizing its make no sense to say its dead now, since it supposed to be dead already in the past few years and yet , its not...

anyway, its going to be quite troublesome to fight against this discourse, but if google can, then no one would be able to stop cloud gaming in the future, wich is an bigger problem than windows imho.

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Quoting: CFWhitmanThey usually offer support for Ubuntu LTS, and nothing else.

linux has problems of compatibility with itself (eg: an program from ubuntu 14 lts may not work on ubuntu 16 lts or program made for ubuntu may not work on a different distros relased at the same year)

i had a lot of complaints that android was not compatible with linux desktop, but when you look at the fragmentation of linux desktop, you realize that linux-desktop dont have support for linux-desktop so we cant expect anyone else to have, distros should try to support android apps because they are standardized as an java application, flash aplication or pwa application are, not the android who should try to suport linux desktop.
in order to support an standard you need an standard to begin with.
i'm not saying everydistro should use gnome, but we need to take this problem more serious.

Quoting: CFWhitman"and the lame excuses they'll use to justify lack of support for a less popular platform. "

google is paying capcom 10 millions of dollars to port RE7 and 8 to stadia, do you think google would want to see linux users buying it on steam instead when he did paid for the port?
google dont want that, capcom knows that they dont, so unless canonical or someone is willing to open their pockets, or linux marketshare start to grown quite fast, those companies will not move an finger.
we may be a few customers, but we are customers with few options to play those games other than stadia, so if an company port their games to stadia and just happens to relase the same game on linux and google misses those sales for us, they may be less likely to pay for future ports in the future.
its the same reason why valve is counting on the stadia growth creating an side effect of linux growth and counting on proton instead of paying companies to port their games.

Quoting: GuestGNU/Linux stands for open, choice, the user being in control. Accessible to everyone.

except that we have less choice when it comes to tools and games to play, wich is an shame...

Quoting: CFWhitmanAnother thing I've seen mentioned is the reliability of old games continuing to work on newer versions of Linux depending on which service distributes the games. Some have pointed out that they've seen a higher percentage of games continue working on GOG and Itch.io than on Steam. However, I haven't had any of my Steam titles quit working for Linux yet, with the exception of Supraland, which isn't old and which never worked as well natively as through Proton to begin with. On the other hand, I've had old Humble Bundle Linux titles quit working on newer distributions. What I'm wondering is how much this phenomenon is related to the service, and how much it's related to a particular game.

wich is another reason why i'm disapointed with the system and i doubt it will be solved even if we increase our marketshare (i explained why in another comment), its geting to the point of diminishing returns.

i have to have an proprietary video card driver, with tons of blobs for firmwares of things like the motherboard etc, to have less options of games and softwares, that run with an worse performance wich forces me to pay more for the hardware...
just so i can have an layer of free software at the operating system level...

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Quoting: KithopDesktop Linux? Oh, that bug only applies to people running... say Manjaro, who have this specific nVidia driver and kernel version. When the moon is full. On Sundays only. But damn if the people affected aren't going to complain, refund, etc. and tarnish your game's reputation for being buggy.

there is an phrase that says:
when the service is free, its because you are the product.
companies like canonical dont charge from end users, so they have no real incentive to make sure an OS update dont break stuff, sure a few people may migrate to another distro but the headeach will be on then, not on canonical, or those same users may complain to the game dev, wich will then pay for canonical support to make sure they can quickly figure out what alterations broke the game and fix it asap.

literally ,the more users an distro has the more the company can charge others to fix things like that.

this is why i hate fragmentation for the sake of fragmentation, if we had a thing like w3c for linux standardizations we could fix it, but no, we have snaps, flatpaks, appimages, all wanting to be the one-size-fits-all package manager, and none of then is supported by all distros, because *reasons*.

sure i can use an distro mantained by the comunity instead of an corporation, but come on...

Quoting: KithopIt's better than it was, even 5-10 years ago, sure, but 'Linux' as a platform is way more complicated and fragmented than even Windows is, let alone a standardized, console-like environment, regardless if it's Stadia, or say, PS4/5 (BSD + OpenGL and Vulkan)

i'm kinda tired of this discourse because its being used as an "licence to be incompetent", sure somethings are horrible, but hey, its much better than it was 5-10 years ago!
yeah, its strange that 10 years ago, when i started using linux, people pretended that those same issues that were fixed didnt existe, but now its different, i'm sure that this time linux is ready for the masses and people who just want their computer to work like me. sigh*
its better now because it was horrible before, so its quite easy to improve because geting worse was quite hard...
now i want to know, how many years until those things are fixed if ever...

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