Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: elmapulthings like this make me want to give up developing for linux...

Ah yes: Developers try to make things easier to deploy across all distributions.

You: I give up.

Makes sense.

first off, if that is the easier way that they are proposing, i cant imagine how hard it was before, plus i cant afford to run that solution, containers will dry out my limited performance.

second, valve supposedly solved this issue already, why do we still need this solution?

either its impossible to solve it once and forever, or it dont worth the performance cost.

in any case, i dont like how it sounds, the way things are, looks like someone is causing problems to sell the solution.
as they say, when the service is free, you are the product, with so many distros breaking backward compatibility with then selves or evolving into different directions that cause problems to support all of then without standards and clear benefits to that fragmentaiton, the only thing i can think off is that its sabotage, really.

its just ridiculous that we had 4 different browser engines (gecko, trident, presto, webkit) and things just worked in all of then. (nowadays, most browsers just use webkit/bink, because its cheaper than continuing developing their own code base, not because things broke all the time) if even microsoft could agree to follow some standards (web standards) there is no reason why the opensource world has to be that mess.

and before any one say that browsers arent as complex as an operating system, we can run entire operating systems inside one browser, there is no excuse.

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Quoting: redneckdrowUsed to use it, but since it went proprietary, I've found alternatives. Such as Pixelorama (really neat), Krita (my favorite program to color images with), Gimp, Inkscape, and so on.

I just hate it when a FOSS app goes proprietary for reasons such as him being upset about it being in distros repositories. Why did he bother making it GPL if he didn't want it distributed and modified in the first place then?! :><:

Also, Krita seems to do okay with sales, so Aseprite's dev's argument about open source hurting his bottom line is crap! He posted a huge talk about it years ago, which I'm too lazy to look up. Why does he think we call Linux based OSes "Distrobutions"?

Sorry :S:, had to get that out of my system. Politics aside it is a good program, just haven't used it in a while.

if its so easy to develop an open source software and make an living out of it, do it yourself.
the asesprite developer has no obligation in doing so, or in fixing his software once it was broken, not by him but by the mantainers of the repositories.

there is a good reason why projects like Renpy dont support the version on the repos (they dont even work, whetever did the renpy packaging for ubuntu didnt tested it, because an 2 minutes test could attest that it dont work)
perhaps that is the goal, create problems to sell solutions, sell integration, certification, deployment services.

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now, THIS! is what i call an video game! not those realistic graphics without any creativity.
(nothing against realism, its an different niche, but i miss the times of games like lunar pool, instead of pool games that change nothing but astetics, and so on for other genres)

its a shame that the soundtrack is so poor.

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speaking of the devil, i was just discussing about this right now on facebook.
what a tiny world

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i found this game by chance, looking at reddit, i didnt expect it to be promoted here so quickly

anyway, the game looks interesting

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did i forgot to mention that they disabled the comments?

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corona virus gave then the perfect excuse to abort the project

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https://youtu.be/v1wHGgt5BbI [External Link]

i just downloaded the video and saw frame by frame, there is doubt, it takes almost one second from the logo apearing on screen to the guy pressing the power button.

there is no doubt, its fake.

also, the app that he uses to play metal slug is an streaming app.

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things like this make me want to give up developing for linux...

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its just me or the image of the atari logo apear on the screen before he press the power button.

password... sigh
and on screen password...
sigh.

also, its just me or the first game its not on fullscreen...

netflix with an cursor, <facepalm> that is not how you make an ui, that reminds me of zelda cd-i
also, whats that notification on the top right...

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Quoting: SirLootALot1. My Point was, that it is a different thing and calling it exclusive misses that. If some developer/publisher just so happens to develop for a certain platform (and only that platform) there is no harm done. If a different platform is prohibited from being developed for the platform inevitably becomes worse due to not offering that game. Whether it is Nintendo or whoever else is besides the point.

2. My point was not a game not being on a certain platform will make it impossible from succeeding but rather will make it worse of a platform and therefore hinder it from being more competitive. To the downside of the platform and its users (therefore being anti-consumer)

3. Linux and mac exclusive Software can surely be a reason to use these OSs but the OSs themselves do offer benefits over Windows that would justify using them. However when talking about games there is little to no exclusives on those OSs.

4. If Linux is not an option for you wouldn't you like that supersoftware that would get people to use Linux to be on windows and Mac as well so you could use the software regardless of what OS you use and just choose the OS, that suits you best. Then it would just be a question of what OS is actually better, not what software can I use on that OS. and everyone can just choose the best OS for themselves.

5. A) I'd like to know where you got those numbers from. B) If Linux or any free and open source software would start with exclusives that would not be free and open source anymore as you wouldn't be able to freely change and redistribute it on e.g. Windows.

6. Currently it is exclusives that sell a console. The point was that it shouldn't be that way. A console should offer a better experience in other ways. Platforms should be competing on features, price, performance etc.

7. You mention that people stop using Linux due to a Lack of Software availability (games in particular). The point is games being exclusive to other platforms hurts Linux (and other competing platforms). If there were no exclusives Linux as a platform (and other platforms) would benefit.

8. Choose whatever platform/OS suits your needs best. If that is Windows, then use Windows. However Linux often suits people the best aside from one aspect. For many that aspect is gaming. Therefore I suggest not hindering Linux as a gaming platform with more exclusives and stick to the free and open source ideology.

1.you dont get it, did you? by making exclusives, you increase the number of users for the platform, by increase the number of users, you increase the the support from thirdy parties, and as an result, the platform become an beter and viable option for everyone.
And look at hat microsoft and sony are doing, they are relasing their exclusive titles for windows anyway.
temporary exclusives make no harm to the end user and solve the problem of lack of marketshare.

2.there will always be exclusives, the thing is, if didnt happen because one company paid for exclusivity, it will happen because the competition paid, its an utopy to think that no one will try, and even if that happens, what will happen is that the platform that has most of the users will get exclusives anyway, so what is the point of continuing this strategy?

3.so as long as they arent games, its ok?

4.yes except that i rather not, i rather not help an company like microsoft that sabotage their competition doing things like changing the user default browser, without consent from the same or from the browser vendor (not to mention the other things)
but looks like i dont have an choice here.
plus, i like linux, being able to customize stuff and so on, but its feels like too little compared to have more tools to create content, or modify games and so on.

5.
a)vg charts
b)except that , thats already happen, there are plenty of softwares that are easy to install in one distro, but almost impossible in another one, to the point of making people giving up on either the software or the distro.
i never was able to install openmortal on ubuntu for example. (not that i care that much, the game was bad, but still, its not freedom if we dont have standards, web standards allowed we to run any page, web game or web aplication in any browser from any vendor in any os, linux desktop on the other hand, the things often break backward compatibility wich means there is no guarantee of foward compatibility or compatibility with other distros)

6.it should, but other strategy dont work, making an mistake is being human, insist on it is madness.

7.but that will not change, it dont matter why its happening, what matter is its happening and what we can do to change that.

8.dual boot is too much of a headeach, life is too short to reboot.

finally, i would like to sugest another strategy that everyone will like:
if we cant have exclusives, we should instead, be the first ones to break exclusivity from other platforms.
in other words, lets joint the comunity arround an project like ps3 emulation, make sure we fund it more than the windows users fund, so the linux version will get more optimization and as an result, linux will be remembered as the number 2 place to play ps3 games (the number one, being ps3 itself)
that shall bring new users to linux, and they will fund it thenselves, so we could move foward for another project, like funding an dreamcast emulator, wiiu emulator, switch emulator and so on, making sure linux is aways the best option to play then, one by one.

either we do that, or there will be no hope.
stadia failed, steam machines failed, its time to give all we have in this strategy or give up.

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