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Quoting: Nociferthere is ZERO investment in the platform

they are in financial trouble afaik, but other than that, this make me think:
canonical had tons of money, they bet a lot on linux desktop, failed and came to the conclusion (i guess) that gnu/linux will never be popular among the general public.
what valve is doing is proving they wrong, i think canonical might have had a chance with an different strategy.
no reinventing the whell with mir, but contributing to wayland instead, no snaps, go flatpaks/appimages.
make some product for the broader audience (eg: something multiplatform) not just linux/ubuntu users, something like an music store, movie store, game/software store, something like steam where people can use the service on any operating system they want, then use such store to promote linux as valve is doing , maybe with an custom hardware with an experience dedicated to such niche audience, like nintendo did with Wii, DS, valve is doing with Steam deck, apple did with iphone, or black magic do with davinci resolve+custom hardware.

make some partnership with i dont know, wacom or something, create an user experience for designers who want to use gimp in an seemless experience, or some niche like that.

what do you guys think?

I think that would indeed be a good idea - improvements to the GIMP, get it running nicely on wacom hardware (or the many clones that exist), make sure colour calibration and correction is handled properly, and tie it into where the art is going. That means maybe trying to make it work more seamlessly with Blender, for example, or plugins to directly export to Godot, Unity3D, Unreal Engine, etc.

I would definitely like to see improvements in developing games on GNU/Linux, and I think the potential is there for a distro flavour centered around that. All the tools exist, and the entire OS is well suited as a full development environment, so my opinion is that if a distro was tweaked to be out-of-the-box setup as a development platform (with accompanying support of course) then it might start to be appealing.

For example, setup that ties an editor (probably vscode, seems popular enough) into a gitlab or github account, helps to configure any ssh keys required, comes pre-installed with Blender, the GIMP, perhaps Ardour for audio mixing. Bundle in a setup for using Godot, along with some samples, and of course all the necessary development libraries, compilers, etc. Project management that ties all the assets together in a meaningful way and allows backups to be created. Maybe look into tying in some collaborative work (at the very least the ability to remote screen share with others). Anything to make it a seamless experience to setup and develop games on GNU/Linux, not just run games on GNU/Linux.

audio seems to be our weakes point/link in that chain.
we need the industry standard tools ported too, otherwise no musician will migrate and game development involve a lot of things including music.
i think wwise is already ported?

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: dindonValve is providing an official way to install Windows as well as put SteamOS back. The dual-boot wizard seems to also be in the work. Hopefully Windows users will also get the new SteamOS interface on Windows as a Big Picture mode replacement. That's plenty of support.

any steam client can run the new interface its just a matter of tweak a few config files, people already figured out how.

Do you have a link how to do this?

https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/t57l4t/how_to_get_the_steam_deck_ui_on_windowsany_linux/ [External Link]

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Quoting: Nociferthere is ZERO investment in the platform

they are in financial trouble afaik, but other than that, this make me think:
canonical had tons of money, they bet a lot on linux desktop, failed and came to the conclusion (i guess) that gnu/linux will never be popular among the general public.
what valve is doing is proving they wrong, i think canonical might have had a chance with an different strategy.
no reinventing the whell with mir, but contributing to wayland instead, no snaps, go flatpaks/appimages.
make some product for the broader audience (eg: something multiplatform) not just linux/ubuntu users, something like an music store, movie store, game/software store, something like steam where people can use the service on any operating system they want, then use such store to promote linux as valve is doing , maybe with an custom hardware with an experience dedicated to such niche audience, like nintendo did with Wii, DS, valve is doing with Steam deck, apple did with iphone, or black magic do with davinci resolve+custom hardware.

make some partnership with i dont know, wacom or something, create an user experience for designers who want to use gimp in an seemless experience, or some niche like that.

what do you guys think?

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Quoting: slaapliedje. So yeah, Asus, Alienware, etc could all try and make a competing device

well, alienware already tried and burned thenselves in the fist steam machines atempt, didnt they?
not to mention they would have a huge disadvantage in terms of pricing, steam deck is most likely sold at loss to make money in the games.

another thing to consider, if others try to do their own machines, will they ship it with steamOS or windows?
steamOS is free, so they will have trouble to make their prices competitive if they dont use it, but valve has the diadvantage that they have to invest into improving proton/steamOS as well as testing all the games, while other vedors dont have to.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeThis kind of goes with the idea that Gabe just wants a great gaming hardware device, rather than 'we want a piece of hardware that is tied to Steam for more $$$.'

its a win win situation for him.
either other stores support linux/work on it flawless, or every steam deck owner will purchase more games on steam and less in other stores.

in the first case he get ride of windows dependence, in the second case he make tons of money.

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"the green Verified tick will end up meaningless if strict standards aren't followed."
as i say for protonDB

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https://youtu.be/lzjmPmfLB-o?t=2285 [External Link]

holy shit, that is exactly what i was talking about with an better explanation.
looks like they understood the concept better than i, so ignore my last comment and look at this explanation instead.

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Quoting: Solitary, but you do know that you can play games that are not yet rated, right?

of course i know this, i was complaining about protonDB not being realible before this rating was a thing.

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Quoting: spacemonkeyI am curious about the performance difference. But no matter the results, I will never ever install Windows.

Well a lot of games already run better on Linux, and given how vale should be able to optimize the OS specifically for the hardware and that windows will not be so optimized I would be surprised if windows is noticeably faster at anything.

there is an advantage on windows, at least on general hardware:
windows can hot-swap drivers, linux cant AFAIK.
that is quite usefull because you can use the best driver for each game or even make an driver specifically for an single game, and that do happen automatically without the user noticing.

i dont think that feature will apply to the deck, but it cant be under estimated.

nor can not having an translation layer.

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Quoting: dindonValve is providing an official way to install Windows as well as put SteamOS back. The dual-boot wizard seems to also be in the work. Hopefully Windows users will also get the new SteamOS interface on Windows as a Big Picture mode replacement. That's plenty of support.

any steam client can run the new interface its just a matter of tweak a few config files, people already figured out how.

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