Quoting: Creak

Quoting: liamdaweFor me it will attempt to generate a world, fill the loading bar up and just sit there forever. I reported it months ago and it hasn't been fixed, so I've mentioned it again today.

I have the exact same behavior! I thought it was because I was using the mesa drivers and not the latest one (mesa 13.0 with llvm 3.8 and kernel 4.9).

I'm glad I'm not the only one with this behavior, but this worries me a bit if the bug also exists with the NVIDIA proprietary drivers...

Well, they have a second report from me now including my logs. I really do hope this won't be a botched release, as I've been looking forward to it myself.

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Update: The patch has now been accepted into Mesa-git [External Link] and will make its way into the next Mesa release.

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Quoting: tofuheadhmm, it's a shame, looked interesting. but all this talk about broken promises seems a bit odd, because doesn't it quite clearly state in the "promises" that they MAY do a linux/mac versions but are NOT making any promises yet.. ?

or am I reading it wrong? ... just wondering..

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I have literally no idea what you're reading, I specifically quoted what they said in the article and it was very clear.

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Note: All future give-aways will only be open to accounts older than one day, to prevent mass sign-ups to take keys :)

Welcome to the new people though, hope you do stick around ;)

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Quoting: const

Quoting: liamdaweYes my book of shame does exist.

Well, this is a book of shame, but not a failed-kickstarter-linux-promises one.
I just crossread it and there doesn't seem to be an awful lot of kickstarter projects inside at all.

Then add to it, it's a wiki for a reason ;)

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Quoting: constDoes this epic book of shame actually exist? Do we have a list of kickstarter projects that were funded well and didn't deliver a promised linux version? Maybe it should be brought to the attention of kickstarter themselves, in public.

For our community, I really think it would be wise to only talk about kickstarter projects that at least show some initiative. A demo or a build job as proof of care.

Yes my book of shame does exist.

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Quoting: GuestI think that "Your game must be submitted to this page." should be edited to clarify "this page" is the itch.io page for the jam and not the comments here.

Besides that… cool.

Ah yes, good catch.

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Quoting: rustybroomhandle

Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: GuestLooked at the video and instantly thought "Uridium". Same dev as it turns out. Nice.

Well, Andrew is only in a sort of advisory role, he's not actually developing it :)

In fact, the original was developed by Andrew Braybrook, who is not on this project at all.

Ah yes, you're right. Mixed up publisher and developer since both share the same first name.

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Quoting: GuestLooked at the video and instantly thought "Uridium". Same dev as it turns out. Nice.

Well, Andrew is only in a sort of advisory role, he's not actually developing it :)

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Quoting: dmantione

Quoting: liamdaweRight, but showing my point from earlier again. If it doesn't run on the PRO driver, but will on Mesa...what does that say about the PRO driver?! Crap - that's what. Mesa get stuff fixed and implemented at a much quicker rate than the PRO driver.

You know better that it is not that simple. Generally, comparing drivers to games, games usually violate OpenGL standards more than drivers. Usually it doesn't have consequences, but sometimes it has. And it can mean driver incompatibilities. Now with AMD's OpenGL implementation being known to be much more strict on demanding OpenGL compliance than Nvidia...

Yet those same games likely work well on Mesa, so again, is it Mesa not being compliant (which it is, since it goes through conformance testing) or is it AMD PRO being crap? The answer should be obvious. Just because the PRO driver may be strict with OpenGL, does not mean it is not buggy as hell.

Quoting: dmantioneSecond, different OpenGL drivers simply behave different. No driver is holy. This article from Valve's Rich Geldreich is a good read on that:

http://richg42.blogspot.nl/2014/05/the-truth-on-opengl-driver-quality.html [External Link]

You do realize the blog post you linked to that basically annihilates a vendor as "A complete hodgepodge, inconsistent performance, very buggy, inconsistent regression testing, dysfunctional driver threading that is completely outside of the dev's official control." is talking about AMD right? It's not backing up your argument at all, it's helping me show you how you're not thinking straight on this topic.

I think you seriously need to rethink you position on all this.

Again, I consider myself completely neutral in driver/vendor arguments considering I was with AMD for many years, have been with NVIDIA for a few, have used laptops for a long time with Intel only and I will also be moving back to AMD with my next card. So, I hope you don't think of me as someone who's talking against AMD because of some kind of NVIDIA fanboy behaviour, I dislike NVIDIA quite a lot in fact and love a lot of what AMD do.

I also happen to speak to driver developers myself, plenty of game developers (not just Feral) and plenty of AMD owners who actually understand the situation a little better than you apparently seem to.

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