Never heard of this game too. Unfortunately (or not :-) ), Steam became too crowded for indie developers, so now is easy to not see good games like this one and stumble on crappy ones in the front page.

Liam, the twin stick shooter is the genre I have most difficult in the Steam Controller. Is the only type of game where it became a handicap for me. I remember when you reviewed Rive and talked about how difficult it was, when I did not find it all that bad because I was using a conventional controller (the Xbox One).

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There's no relevant advantage of DX12, it would just add more code to maintain, while Vulkan adds Linux and Android compatibility.

Not only that. Vulkan also works in Windows 7 and 8, both still have ruge market share. DX12 is Windows 10 only.

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Quoting: Creak

Quoting: TheRiddickWondering if the GL Threading patch that's being worked on could help this title since its CPU bounded pretty hard?

Actually, I would really be interested in CPU consumption on Windows. If it's the same as on Linux, it means that Aspyr simply did their best, but if it has multi-threading, it means that Aspyr could really do better with their ports.

Check out this image I putted in my first post on page 1. There is no way a FX8350 would be on par with a Core i7 4770k if the game is only mono-thread in Windows. And pay attention to the i7 in the top spot, is a 8 core part, like the one Liam uses.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: M@GOidWell, going back on topic, what I originally mean to say is that Aspyr didn't have to wait for Vulkan to use all the cores of the CPU, they can do that with OpenGL.

My confusion is, if that is bad for performance, why Feral and 4A Games are doing it? Is that not multithread?

The answer to that is longer than you might think. I'll write up a bit more about it and submit as an article (might take me a couple days), but a short version is that game developers generally don't multi-thread the OpenGL interface itself. The threading is done elsewhere, game permitting.

Ah, thanks for the answer.

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Well, going back on topic, what I originally mean to say is that Aspyr didn't have to wait for Vulkan to use all the cores of the CPU, they can do that with OpenGL.

My confusion is, if that is bad for performance, why Feral and 4A Games are doing it? Is that not multithread?

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Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: M@GOidMultithread is bad in OpenGL? Well, call me skeptical on that.

Anyway, 4A and Feral did it, so technically OpenGL is not blocking a multicore CPU utilization in Civilization VI.

Seriously? Go do some real research you're rather wrong.

Calm down man, I didn't mean to be disrespectful. If I was wrong you could explained why in a more relaxed tone, like M@yeulC did.

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Multithread is bad in OpenGL? Well, call me skeptical on that.

Anyway, 4A and Feral did it, so technically OpenGL is not blocking a multicore CPU utilization in Civilization VI.

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This is likely a game that would be a lot better with Vulkan, due to Vulkan being able to make better use of your multiple cores.

I'm not sure about that Liam. If you want to check yourself, Shadow of Mordor and Metro Redux both taxes all the cores you have. So, this can be Aspyr's fault in not implementing multithread on OpenGL, judging by this CPU benchmark on Windows, because there is no way a Bulldozer CPU can come close to a Core i7 in a monothread game:

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Quoting: Xpander4770 as recommended cpu.. that means my FX-8320@4,5ghz wont have nice time cranking everything to max?

Ryzen is not far away though :D

The engine Codemasters use is not multithread friendly. It task a single core and let the rest do squat. There is nothing Feral can do to correct that.

I also have a FX8350 but I took a opportunity to buy a friends i7 3770k last year and man, the performance diference in Grid Autosport and some other games are huge. That also occurs in Windows, BTW.

So if Ryzen do it stuff well, I gonna take one too, especially if some manufacturer bother to launch a Mini-ITX AM4 board.

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It can be done i

Quoting: jith_feral

Quoting: M@GOidThere is a way to skip the driver warning on Feral games? Its okay to see it the first time, but annoying when you are playing the games flawlessly for several days.

You can skip it on our newer titles, but not the older ones.

It can be done in Shadow of Mordor? If so, how?

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