Quoting: Cyba.Cowboy

Quoting: CreakWell there is at least a huge difference between AppImage and the others (AppImage being merely a huge dump of files that are uncompressed at a specific location and run there).

Meh.

I meant similar in the sense that AppImage loosely has similar goals... There are of course, some obvious differences (such as the fact that it doesn't usually provide libraries, it's not isolated, etc...); but the general idea is the same.

It is quite clearly the "most" different of the three, though...

Quoting: CreakBut overall I don't think the fragmentation is that bad because:
* Snap is basically Ubuntu-only

Not really.

According to Wikipedia [External Link], Snaps are supported "out of the box" by at least:
* Ubuntu (plus most of its deviations)
* Gallium OS
* Manjaro
* Zorin OS
* KDE Neon
* Solus
* Li-f-e

I'm not familiar with some of those operating systems, but Manjaro are KDE Neon are certainly big names, and Snaps can be optionally added to a MUCH bigger list of operating systems... In theory, it can run under almost any Linux-based operating system.

So no, not Ubuntu-only.

Quoting: CreakBut overall I don't think the fragmentation is that bad because:
* Flatpak is cross-distributions

Snap is too, so I don't understand your point.

As I wrote above, FlatPak is slightly more "open" - which is the primary reason why I think it is the superior of the two (though I find the performance much better under Snap); but it is certainly not the only one of the two that has cross-distribution support.

Huh, I would be shocked if 'out of the box support' equals 'installed by default'. Especially for Manjaro.

The main issue with snaps is that they are not decentralized, Canonical controls tge store. Where flatpaks and AppImages are open. AppImages are basically the same as the Mac's DMG files, so there is that.

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Huh, can we add things like Vivecraft? Part of me wants to dive back into Minecraft, the rest of me realizes it is a massive time sink, and I would be better off doing something more constructive.

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Quoting: alicecarteromg, this is alpha??!! holy mother of god

Yeah! Ha, how long was Battle for Wesnoth in alpha/beta before the 1.0 release? Oh god, or Wine? It's actually pretty sick how far Wine has come.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Redface

Quoting: PangaeaKinda strange to mention Ubuntu but not the better alternative Linux Mint. Since starting with Mint, I've never had the urge to distro hope again. It simply works.

Steam and all their DRM can jump off a cliff tho.

Mint is kind of Ubuntu + some extra packages, not a complete distribution on its own.
So you can consider it as included.

Well if we're going to be snippy, Ubuntu is kind of Debian "+ some extra packages, not a complete distribution on its own."

Yeah, they just do a better job at renaming every package with +ubuntu in it!

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Quoting: Redface

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: slaapliedjeIndeed! After that it basically lasts forever. I'd had the same install for years and years, and the only reason I re-installed was due to going from 32bit to 64bit... and even then, there was a way to upgrade that way, it was just kind of a pain. But I've had the same install on my server since then.

I had given up my old Debian install after, dunno, 15 years or so, because the X server couldn't cope with a very outdated config file entry. I'm still not sure if it was luck or bad luck that I only found out afterwards. I guess a fresh install every decade is ok. ;)

I had a really long running Debian install back in the day. Mostly running sid, aka unstable since the stable releases always where years delayed back then. When it was close to a release I changed it to follow testing to help test it, and then once it was release the software was kind of old for a desktop. And testing then after a new stable release was a big mess for months due to a lot of transitions that where hold back due to the long freeze, so I switched to unstable again :-)
And rinse repeated that a couple of cycles over the years.

Then Ubuntu was announced to be coming soon with a at that time revolutionary release concept: release when its time, instead of release when its ready. Since there is always that one program which should get next version, or this or that bug that needs to be fixed, And stuff can be updated after release.

I installed Ubuntu 4.10 Warty Warthog and stayed on Ubuntu as my main OS since then.

My desktop which is currently running Hirsute that will release as 21.04, was installed as Ubuntu 12.10. On another disk and in another PC, I converted it to GPT and UEFI when I transferred it to its current SSD.
Linux, and especially apt based systems are just amazing.

I still have my Warty Warthog CDs (remember they offered to send you free ones?). Ubuntu started going in directions I didn't like, so I remain a Debian user. Also now that Debian has backports, it's far easier to keep running Stable without being too old.

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Quoting: TheRiddickShame dev doesn't add in VR support. By the steam description the dev doesn't sound all that interested in VR...

Damn, I actually thought this game was VR. I have been playing Pistol Whip and beat the short 'campaign' tonight. Does make me sweat a bit. Starts getting crazy at the end. I have been looking for more VR games to exercise with, but have fun. Too bad this won't be one. Now that I have completed Alyx, another VR FPS would be sweet.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: slaapliedjeIndeed! After that it basically lasts forever. I'd had the same install for years and years, and the only reason I re-installed was due to going from 32bit to 64bit... and even then, there was a way to upgrade that way, it was just kind of a pain. But I've had the same install on my server since then.

I had given up my old Debian install after, dunno, 15 years or so, because the X server couldn't cope with a very outdated config file entry. I'm still not sure if it was luck or bad luck that I only found out afterwards. I guess a fresh install every decade is ok. ;)

Ha, on my desktop I will play around with other distros occasionally. Mainly because I get bored of the stability in Debian... even though I run Sid there!

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: slaapliedjeTo be fair, the only things I do after a debian install to make it 'gaming ready' are the following

Yes!

... and happy 6 years cake day!

Indeed! After that it basically lasts forever. I'd had the same install for years and years, and the only reason I re-installed was due to going from 32bit to 64bit... and even then, there was a way to upgrade that way, it was just kind of a pain. But I've had the same install on my server since then.

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Quoting: Dorrit

Quoting: slaapliedjeEither way, Debian is a fantastic Distribution for just about anything, gaming included

This.

Quoting: slaapliedjeYou just need to know the secret sauce to setting it up

The sauce can simply be MX-Linux, Debian prêt-à-porter.

To be fair, the only things I do after a debian install to make it 'gaming ready' are the following
 
sed -i '/main/main\ non\-free\ contrib/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
dpkg --add-architecture i386
apt update
apt install nvidia-driver steam

Then if I feel the need, I'll edit /etc/default/grub to add 'splash' to the grub command line, and run update-grub. Then you'll have the splash screen if you want to make it neat for someone else. Of course if you don't have an nvidia card, you don't need to install that. Of course if you prefer lutris over steam, that's now in the repos (though you'd have to enable backports for buster to get it, which you should probably do anyhow. Though Bullseye should be releasing in the coming months).

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Quoting: sgtnasty369my god it works! I can finally play Gloomhaven and Solastra on linux

Pretty sure Gloomhaven already works through Proton?

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