I guess this list points out nicely why we need Proton so badly, and people need to stop bashing it. I don't think we can sell Linux as a viable gaming platform to interested users, if we have to tell them that only 25% of best-selling games work on it. In an ideal world, all games would work on all platforms, but alas, that's not the case. And with our 1% market share, it's not that we'd exactly be in a strong position to tell devs to release native ports.

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Quoting: fagnerlnIs hypocrisy that a defensor of freedom want a intervention from state.

Preventing people from abusing their freedoms is one of the most basic reasons for governments (and thus, laws) to exist in the first place. If we wouldn't have laws preventing you, it would be in your "freedom" to murder somebody because you don't like their face. Humans are by nature greedy and egoistic. They one thing that can guarantee a stable society is a strong government that steps in when people abuse their power and makes some laws telling them not to.

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I can understand some of the points made in the OP, but this doesn't change the fact that preventing people from re-selling goods they legally BOUGHT is fundamentally wrong. It's just businesses abusing technology (DRM in this case) to enforce despicable business practices that wouldn't stand for 5 mins in court if we were talking about physical goods. Why it took the courts so long to toss out that ridiculous claim that buying games on Steam would be a "subscription" when it's clearly not, is beyond me.

Btw., economic theory demands prices going DOWN when a used-goods market is enabled, not up. Because used goods increase supply. If they'd try to enforce higher prices when there is a functioning used games market, people would buy less on Steam and more used games. That mechanic is the entire reason why Steam and other stores prevented a used games market from happening in the first place.

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Works fine for me on Ubuntu 18.04. Love the new features! :)

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Quoting: ShmerlSo if not 32-bit libraries, there must be another way to play them, before dropping such support. And a way that doesn't perform like garbage.

I agree with that. But I doubt that there will be serious efforts being made to look for alternative solutions as long as there isn't some...gentle pressure applied. If people are made to believe that legacy support will be a part of mainstream distros for all eternity, it won't happen. Humans don't do anything without a compelling reason. Which is why I suggested a grace period long enough to make it happen, but people should understand that one day this stuff is going to be retired from mainstream distros.

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Quoting: KimyrielleIn all honesty, 32 bit stuff DOES need to go at some point. I mean, for how long is Linux supposed to carry on that old baggage?

No, thanks. This isn't about clients, but about a ton of games that will be unplayable without it. Until there is another solution (with adequate performance), it shouldn't go, that's very clear.

Seriously, in say 5 years from now on, who'd still want to play 32 bit games when most gamers consider a 5 year old game a museum piece? Yes, I get it, there will be SOME that do, like SOME still play C64 games on an emulator - but I'd wager that group relates in about the same way to Linux users as a base group as Linux users relate to Windows users: A tiny minority. I don't think it's too much asked for to tell this group to take over maintenance of needed legacy 32 bit libraries, if they want to keep playing decades old games. I just feel that Canonical's resources could be used more productively than for keeping alive stone-age software. I am pretty sure interested people could come with some creative solutions how to keep these old games running the same way C64 games and Amiga games can still be played. Change isn't the end of the world.

Quoting: ElectricPrismOkay. Then. Lets just obsolete 32-bit, 64-bit and switch to source only distros like Gentoo then. Because that's the only way we are going to end the cycle of obsoleting 8-bit, 16-bit, 32-bit, 64-bit, 128-bit 256-bit etc...

Not that there would be a main-stream use-case for 128 bit processors, or ever will be. There is a reason why they aren't made, you know?

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In all honesty, 32 bit stuff DOES need to go at some point. I mean, for how long is Linux supposed to carry on that old baggage?

That Steam (which is one of the most important Linux applications there is, and is maintained by a multi-billion dollar business) STILL doesn't have a 64 bit client is quite frankly unforgivable.

I would really think they should agree on a reasonable grace period and then elbow people into finally updating their legacy 32 bit apps. If after that date, people still -really- insist on running decades-old software or even older hardware, they can still maintain and build these packages themselves. It's open source software, after all.

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SotTR seems to be the only noticeable (as in AAA) game on that list. Oh well, I guess we're off the radar for big budget games again. :S

*hugs Proton and plays them anyway*

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Quoting: heidi.wengerWhy would i ever use Discord over say Riot ? Discord is starting to treat its Linux users like the good old Microsoft and their Skype huh :dizzy:

Same reason why (almost) every business in the world is using MS Office: Because everyone else does! Good luck finding a guild/clan these days NOT forcing you to use Discord...

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Funny how quick Indie developers are with abandoning us, as soon as they get bigger and more famous. :S

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