Quoting: Guest

Quoting: minidouI fail to see how glibc devs could be blamed for removing a function deprecated for 17 years (though I can agree a major version bump should have been called for). Do videogame devs need that much nursing ? EAC linux lib is a recent piece of software, how many deprecated dependencies do they use ?

The blame is not really about removing the deprecated feature. Blame is for the failure to restore it after discovering that users for the feature still exist and the removal broke stuff.

They did restore it because of the backlash, but they really shouldn't have, there's no reason for it. This isn't some obscure lib we're talking about but the GNU C library. If a handful of program gets broken it's on them, the function was marked deprecated almost two decades ago. An outstanding majority of program have no issue at all with the removal of this function, why should a niche but maybe high visibility user dictate the direction of glibc ?

Something not discussed here is that the removal of DT_HASH allows a save of about 1% or 16kB of space per Glibc shared object [External Link]. This is an improvement. There clearly is a good reason for finally removing this deprecated function. But we shouldn't profit from this improvement because of some devs bad practice ?

Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: GuestThe blame is not really about removing the deprecated feature. Blame is for the failure to restore it after discovering that users for the feature still exist and the removal broke stuff.

Yes, a lot of developers (especially newer, younger ones that lack the experience) argue in favor of always using the very latest everything and always keeping everything updated.
I've seen that time and time again in several teams.

But that's not a position that can be maintained in reality.
You'd require armies just to maintain old stuff.

It's fine to remove a function if you can't see that anyone is using it. An understandable mistake.

This is off topic. The impacted softwares were initialised years after DT_HASH was marked deprecated. In the case of EAC lib, probably a good 15 years later. In every sector of the software industry this would be considered bad practice, but VG softwares get a pass for some reason.

Quoting: TheSHEEEPBut the moment you realize that there were indeed many still using it, it should clearly be restored (with a deprecation marker, but still).

They did that, almost two decades ago.

And it seems there isn't that many users impacted. I can count the EAC lib and some lib used in shovel night. Compared to the millions of programs using glibc.

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Also, didn't Valve add the steam runtimes to counter exactly this kind of issue ? If some software need ancient dependencies, don't use system ones, use a set of libs managed by steam.

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I fail to see how glibc devs could be blamed for removing a function deprecated for 17 years (though I can agree a major version bump should have been called for). Do videogame devs need that much nursing ? EAC linux lib is a recent piece of software, how many deprecated dependencies do they use ?

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still no DBD :cry:

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They've been saying that every six months for ten years.

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Wreckfest (Verified)

Good, more people should play Wreckfest.

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Quoting: minidouHas Shader Pre-Caching been broken for a few weeks ? My Steam updates almost every game every day for a few MB (I figured it is shader downloading since it used to look like small updates).

You probably just didn't notice. Steam used to remove the shader downloads from the list after they were done, but since the download page update they remain there.

So it is normal that they update so often ?

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Has Shader Pre-Caching been broken for a few weeks ? My Steam updates almost every game every day for a few MB (I figured it is shader downloading since it used to look like small updates).

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DBD soon hopefully

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Stonk !

Important footnote :

(EDIT/Update: No you ridiculously awesome goofballs, I didn't yolo into $GME. :P)

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