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Quoting: LeopardWell , that is also a long term goal for Valve too. Otherwise with everybody investing only Windows platform ; Microsoft would be the monopol in cloud gaming area too.

You know Windows server edition prices? That is pretty high , even for companies like Valve since they have essentially tons of them.

And there is no guarentee MS won't go with even higher prices also.

So ; that is a plausible way forward.

May be that's also one of the reason behind the heavy investment in proton and friends: being able to run a lot of windows games on a Linux box in the cloud for streaming services.. dunno.

Of course , since native tools and market share didn't get interest of existing devs ; Valve literally said we can handle the Windows "surface" needs.

Just be sure to use Vulkan for best performance on it and stay away from DRM's we can't handle.

But Valve would be careful i guess. Even Google just tried on a select area and with one game. Given how large and how crowded Steam is ; that won't be an easy task to rollout this system in short time.

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Well , that is also a long term goal for Valve too. Otherwise with everybody investing only Windows platform ; Microsoft would be the monopol in cloud gaming area too.

You know Windows server edition prices? That is pretty high , even for companies like Valve since they have essentially tons of them.

And there is no guarentee MS won't go with even higher prices also.

So ; that is a plausible way forward.

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Quoting: Guest

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: ImnotarobotWhy even allow anymore wrapped games to have Linux stamp with them? At least on Steam either do a native version or just leave it for Proton. Im not so technical so im not so sure about the wrapping thing, but i think it's like WINE or something like that?

In the end, it's comparable to WINE, at least in the effect of running Windows binaries on Linux. They are tuning it for single games, though, and are giving support for them. And, perhaps most importantly, they've built their technology before Proton was a thing. I guess they've not been too happy about the news.

If they would have invest to Vulkan like Feral did , that wouldn't be an issue though.

VP might well have done so, but perhaps this game missed the cutoff, or internal work isn't ready yet. I'm personally hopeful that VP do have a Vulkan backend in the works, as it would definitely help them greatly I think. Just easier for mapping from directx rendering, as far as I know.

I also suspect that anyone with an old enough graphics card to not have Vulkan driver support probably wouldn't be able to run this game (nor likely future ports) anyway, so not a whole lot of reason to remain with OpenGL going forward.

OGL 4.1 usage indicates they didn't want to bother with seperate Metal and Vulkan ( or OGL 4.5 ) renderers.

If VP will keep doing that ; i would say that would be better to not have native ports from VP.

For a good native port ; my bar is set to it should at least be on par with DXVK or even better than DXVK.

They’re using Metal on macOS, so that excuse doesn’t work.

So my take here is :

They didn't care about Linux port. Shame.

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Quoting: GuestI'm note sure if this is a game - because it mostly plays itself. I'm doing the second tutorial match and it's all about the enemies pulling OP cards while I struggle to summon anything. Every lane has a predictable fate from the beginning so far.

TUTORIAL

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Quoting: EikeLet's have some flame war...
Why do people keep wishing for Skyrim?
It was released way before Steam on Linux, when most of us played on Windows,
and most people who wanted to play it have it through as many times as they wish - not?

It simply became a meme actually.

When Faudio work is complete , i will buy Skyrim SE. Until now , i was experimenting on my bro's Steam account via family sharing.

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Quoting: chui2chI wish I was better at this, but I hope its Shadow of War!!

So do I mate, so do I. The first one was awesome, and we miss out on all the microtransactional buffonery by getting it now instead of alongside Windows! It has Very Positive reviews on Steam most recently. Oh, and it would probably come with Vulkan. So much yes.

Apart from that, I could see Dirt 4 or Dirt Rally, the new Alien game, or Hitman 2, given Feral's previous collaborations. I'd be fine with any of them coming to us, to be honest :)

If I had to wish upon a star for a game out of the blue for Feral to have a crack at, it would be Divinity: OS2 Divine Edition. It seems to have sold pretty well and has all round great reviews, but yeah, probably wishful thinking.

Divinity OS 2 is getting a Mac port from a different company so that's not it. Also they said there will be no Linux version.

Don't see any source where they said explicitly that there will be no Linux release. Is there?

I saw something like that on Reddit , after Apple events.

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Quoting: chui2chI wish I was better at this, but I hope its Shadow of War!!

So do I mate, so do I. The first one was awesome, and we miss out on all the microtransactional buffonery by getting it now instead of alongside Windows! It has Very Positive reviews on Steam most recently. Oh, and it would probably come with Vulkan. So much yes.

Apart from that, I could see Dirt 4 or Dirt Rally, the new Alien game, or Hitman 2, given Feral's previous collaborations. I'd be fine with any of them coming to us, to be honest :)

If I had to wish upon a star for a game out of the blue for Feral to have a crack at, it would be Divinity: OS2 Divine Edition. It seems to have sold pretty well and has all round great reviews, but yeah, probably wishful thinking.

Divinity OS 2 is getting a Mac port from a different company so that's not it. Also they said there will be no Linux version.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: ImnotarobotWhy even allow anymore wrapped games to have Linux stamp with them? At least on Steam either do a native version or just leave it for Proton. Im not so technical so im not so sure about the wrapping thing, but i think it's like WINE or something like that?

In the end, it's comparable to WINE, at least in the effect of running Windows binaries on Linux. They are tuning it for single games, though, and are giving support for them. And, perhaps most importantly, they've built their technology before Proton was a thing. I guess they've not been too happy about the news.

If they would have invest to Vulkan like Feral did , that wouldn't be an issue though.

VP might well have done so, but perhaps this game missed the cutoff, or internal work isn't ready yet. I'm personally hopeful that VP do have a Vulkan backend in the works, as it would definitely help them greatly I think. Just easier for mapping from directx rendering, as far as I know.

I also suspect that anyone with an old enough graphics card to not have Vulkan driver support probably wouldn't be able to run this game (nor likely future ports) anyway, so not a whole lot of reason to remain with OpenGL going forward.

OGL 4.1 usage indicates they didn't want to bother with seperate Metal and Vulkan ( or OGL 4.5 ) renderers.

If VP will keep doing that ; i would say that would be better to not have native ports from VP.

For a good native port ; my bar is set to it should at least be on par with DXVK or even better than DXVK.

Your statement assumes too much: "on par" in my case means half the games don't work at all. I'd rather a supported working game over a non-working game.

OpenGL version does no such thing as indicating "they didn't want to bother". Quite frankly, we don't know their internal timelines, stable code branches, how long this has been a work in progress, or what else they have planned. That this game suffers from performance compared to using DXVK is quite likely, but the game runs well enough to play anyway, there's no information about what wine might break with the game, and this way there is official support (which is why everything got fixed pretty damned quick).

Put another way: if the game didn't run with DXVK, would you rather this or not? I'd rather have this.

Well , my comment was entirely based on Xpander's comparision video tbh.

VP port basically hold back even a 1080Ti.

So that means even much more bottleneck for least capable hardwares which indicates mid tier hardware will suffer with that port.

Ofc , i would take a working game on any day for a non working one. But for avoiding such things , Valve also should have an option to enable for running Windows version if user want.

With that way ; users can choose whatever suits best for their needs.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: ImnotarobotWhy even allow anymore wrapped games to have Linux stamp with them? At least on Steam either do a native version or just leave it for Proton. Im not so technical so im not so sure about the wrapping thing, but i think it's like WINE or something like that?

In the end, it's comparable to WINE, at least in the effect of running Windows binaries on Linux. They are tuning it for single games, though, and are giving support for them. And, perhaps most importantly, they've built their technology before Proton was a thing. I guess they've not been too happy about the news.

If they would have invest to Vulkan like Feral did , that wouldn't be an issue though.

VP might well have done so, but perhaps this game missed the cutoff, or internal work isn't ready yet. I'm personally hopeful that VP do have a Vulkan backend in the works, as it would definitely help them greatly I think. Just easier for mapping from directx rendering, as far as I know.

I also suspect that anyone with an old enough graphics card to not have Vulkan driver support probably wouldn't be able to run this game (nor likely future ports) anyway, so not a whole lot of reason to remain with OpenGL going forward.

OGL 4.1 usage indicates they didn't want to bother with seperate Metal and Vulkan ( or OGL 4.5 ) renderers.

If VP will keep doing that ; i would say that would be better to not have native ports from VP.

For a good native port ; my bar is set to it should at least be on par with DXVK or even better than DXVK.

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Quoting: ajgp

Quoting: FaattoriHow is the performance compared to Windows release? I take it that it's nothing to worry about since the article doesn't mention that sort of stuff.

I dont know how it compares but on my system Im not noticing any jitters, framedrops or stalls or the like and im getting a smooth experience @1440p

How are the loading times?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/637090/discussions/0/1693788384146305062/?ctp=13#c2747650363470418004 [External Link]

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