Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoAt this rhythm, Proton will never leave Beta stage and the new Steam play will never be officially implemented.

No , this is not related. SteamPlay is in beta still because that showed

1-) How SteamRuntime is dated and needs to be updated
2-) SteamWorks support is not flawless, for example Soulcalibur VI issue

When these issues get ironed out ; probably that will be out of beta.

Also SteamPlay has a nice feature you probably didn't notice it ; it picks the known working Proton version for games. Which means , let's say DOOM 2016 whitelisted against Proton 3.7 ; it will use it unless you say otherwise to Steam Client.

Which eliminates regression possibility related to Wine.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: ScooptaSpecialized graphics programming? Just use OpenGL everywhere. It's not like it's Linux only.

But it is deprecated on Mac.

Yet , that was deprecated for a long time.

Problem is , they don't need expertise if they are using Unity. On any graphics api. Unity already does shader conversion for you afaik.

They simply didn't want to support Linux because that is somewhat certain game will work on Proton.

I bet ; if Proton was also available on Mac they would also won't support Mac natively.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardThen which graphics api they use on Mac? Probably Metal. Is it really possible that so many Metal experts around? I don't think so.

Good point. If they hired one, they should have hired one for Linux as well.

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I don't think they hired anybody.

Since that game probably won't work on Mac without native support , they simply had to support Mac.

They simply rely on Proton.

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Quoting: stretch611I'm shocked that they just didn't say that they would only be supporting "Steam Play" for linux users.

Yes.

Intent is clear. Zero support effort yet game will work in Proton.

If Proton was available for Mac , situation will be the same.

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Quoting: ShmerlUnity and Unreal are using shaders in HLSL and then compile them to whatever target like DXBC or SPIR-V or translate into GLSL if I understand correctly. Their shader translators and compilers had some problems in the past. Remember how many problems Everspace had until they were ready to release the Linux version? So while engines are improving, it doens't mean they are hassle free.

I can't really evaluate what issues developers encountered in this case with the engine, but at least their comment about multiple distros is not convincing. However their point about requiring OpenGL expertise is correct. If they don't have OpenGL/Vulkan experts and can't afford them - too bad really. Gaming company should have them.

Then which graphics api they use on Mac? Probably Metal. Is it really possible that so many Metal experts around? I don't think so.

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Citing reasons like Linux requiring "specialised graphics programming" as it uses OpenGL and not DirectX, they also mentioned that Linux drivers are "not as comprehensive as for Windows and Mac" requiring them to make "adaptations to graphical shaders" to get them working.

Such a bullshit.

1-) There is also no DirectX on Mac as well. Either OGL or Metal.

2-) Linux drivers are not comprehensive. Hmmm. So we are delusional after all ; since i can run Shadow Of Mordor , HITMAN ( OGL ) , Ryse Son of Rome , Witcher 3, Doom 2016 on my system. Probably that is just me being delusional.

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Quoting: Brisse

Quoting: LeopardOMG , what is wrong with using a hashtag that really goes on with what GOG ( Good Old Games ) claimed when it is first came out?

Is hashtags are proprietary things now?

I think GOG didn't do any wrong with it , just usual SJW's trying to attack everyone who doesn't agree with them or just not giving actual care what they're doing.

It's important to note that this was the third time GOG made an insensitive tweet. First time might have been an honest mistake and people were forgiving and politely pointed out their mistake, but then it happened again and again and a pattern started forming.

No, of course hashtags aren't proprietary but do you not see how inappropriate it is to purposely hijack a hashtag about a current political/social issue and using it for advertising a games store?

I didn't know about first two incidents, i even learned third one thanks to this news.

But how is that inappopriate? There is no attack / hostility in that tweet.

I think GOG even made a supportive move about that hashtag. Since that hashtag is about something identity related ,
old games in gaming industry also have a problem with it. They're facing all kind of issues , either company that made these games is not caring about them anymore and there is no way to legitly purchase them or company is not caring about game anymore and people who owned that game cannot enjoy with them without going some hoops in order to run them on modern systems.

Literally , GOG also represents gaming side of #WontBeErased

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OMG , what is wrong with using a hashtag that really goes on with what GOG ( Good Old Games ) claimed when it is first came out?

Is hashtags are proprietary things now?

I think GOG didn't do any wrong with it , just usual SJW's trying to attack everyone who doesn't agree with them or just not giving actual care what they're doing.

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Quoting: Nevertheless

Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: Nevertheless

Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: Nevertheless

Quoting: Beamboom... And this is exactly what the pessimists were worried about.

And it's also what the optimists were hoping for. Instead of maybe just giving up Linux support completely, the developer now looks out for Steam Play compatibility at least. What's the harm in it? If you want the game, you will be able to play it on Linux.

Problem is , what kind of compability they would be looking for?

Using Wine / Proton just as a surface for not dealing Linux specific things but using OGL or Vulkan in their game , not including crazy drm etc
OR
Just hoping it works alright with existing Windows version?

There is a huge difference between them.

"By "official support" for Proton we mean that if issues specific to Proton occur we will work on fixing them, not just write them off to "well it's a weird emulator on Linux we don't support that"."

Is that sounds realistic to you? Seriously , devs who can't deal with native build will fix issues on Proton side things which i'm sure they never used Wine before.

Eventually, all they can do will be reporting issues to Wine tracker in order to get them fixed

I'd say if that's really so, we're better off with a Proton version all the more.

So that is not supporting SteamPlay , that is expecting SteamPlay to support their title.

Which i was all debating from the start.

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Quoting: mao_dze_dunAs usual everybody hurried to be b*tthurt when a developer drops Linux support, because who can think of an actual legit reason for an undestaffed small studio with no Linux experience not to offer day one perfect native support. But hey - the forum talk heads definitely know better that the people actually making the game. Gosh, I hate that entitled attitude...

Anyway, the follow-up Liam posted is very sensible and they definitely made the right call. If it runs with close to Windows performance and they work on Proton compatibility problems - who cares if it's not native. Half the "ports" are Windows games in a wrapper. Maybe soon you can start reviewing official Proton games, too, Liam.

Don't expect me to believe that.

last but not least, on Linux our OpenGL renderer was at least 30% slower than it's DirectX implementation (weird since the same code flies on Mac).

https://icculus.org/finger/icculus?date=2016-04-25&time=03-02-30 [External Link]

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