Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardBut you gotta admit , Valve is one of the least lock-in addict companies if you think how big they are.

No reason to say so until now?

Hmm , after all that open source driver ( AMD ) work Valve contributed , work on X.org and such stuff.

Sure, their drivers contribution is good. Now with this recent network library, they are removing their previous lock-in, so this is a big improvement.

Thank you.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardBecause until GOG left out Linux users in the cold with that GOG client , there was no need for that.

You didn't answer the question. You claimed Valve couldn't be criticized for lock-in. That's simply wrong. Now that Valve released this library, you can say they aren't interested in such lock-in. But until this happened, there was not reason to say so.

They're companies and they're always looking for lock-ins. That is a fact.

But you gotta admit , Valve is one of the least lock-in addict companies if you think how big they are.

No reason to say so until now?

Hmm , after all that open source driver ( AMD ) work Valve contributed , work on X.org and such stuff.

You're being unfair here.

Valve have hired people to help in various Mesa areas, but relatively little for AMD drivers specifically. It's generally less than people think. I'm not saying they don't do anything, or haven't helped, but their contributions are often overstated.

I mention this not against Valve (as it will no doubt be taken), but to raise the point of all the heavy lifting done by others that never gets a shout.

Of course. I was purely talking about gaming wise at company scale.

No doubt Mesa driver are there today thanks to many devs.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardThey're companies and they're always looking for lock-ins. That is a fact.

For which they can and should be criticized. Q.E.D.

My previous message is edited now.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardBecause until GOG left out Linux users in the cold with that GOG client , there was no need for that.

You didn't answer the question. You claimed Valve couldn't be criticized for lock-in. That's simply wrong. Now that Valve released this library, you can say they aren't interested in such lock-in. But until this happened, there was not reason to say so.

They're companies and they're always looking for lock-ins. That is a fact.

But you gotta admit , Valve is one of the least lock-in addict companies if you think how big they are.

No reason to say so until now?

Hmm , after all that open source driver ( AMD ) work Valve contributed , work on X.org and such stuff.

You're being unfair here.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardHe is all against to Linux gaming entirely , only he doesn't know about it.

You need to learn how to engage in proper discussions instead of trolling. Your level of discussion is the later, so in most of cases it's a waste of time for everybody who reads the thread.

Yeah , yeah. I'm sure it is.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardI still can't believe so much hostility towards Valve.

Until they did that, Steamworks was a very practical lock-in. Why would you expect anyone praise such things?

Because until GOG left out Linux users in the cold with that GOG client , there was no need for that.

Valve saw it and fixed it.

They're literally helping to a competitor for the benefit of Linux users.

They want users to buy from GOG without doubts of multiplayer lack.

I doubt if GOG or others would do the same though.

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That move is purely for removing the multiplayer side effect of GOG Galaxy lack on Linux.

I still can't believe so much hostility towards Valve.

Kudos to Valve!

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Quoting: LeopardShmerl is all like that.

Shmerl disagrees with me on some things, but so do you. And that's fine. Debate facts, opinions, ideology, whatever, but please don't make it personal. That only leads to pointless drama.

It is ok but can you tell me disagreement between you and me?

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Looks nice , i beat Pokemon Red at least 3 times. Played others too a little bit.

Certainly interested!

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardWhen you use your monitor with dvi to vga adaptor or a similar one ; it won't be able to detect your monitor res. ( Windows detects it correctly btw )

Good luck with that. I saw enough horror stories with monitor detection on Windows, when you use analog ones (VGA). If you want to save your sanity, don't use VGA to begin with.

Quoting: LeopardIf you have a Realtek wi fi chip , welcome to the world of terminal.

Realtek chips are quite poor in general, even on Windows. Use Intel.

Quoting: LeopardScreen tearings everywhere?

Sure, don't use blobs (hello Nvidia users). Problem solved.

Quoting: LeopardYou have to configure your gaming periphals?

Quite a minority case, most don't have any such peripherals. And gamers who have, are ready to configure them as needed. Gaming on Linux is a special case, we were talking about average Joe, and that doesn't mean gamers.

Nice said.

You said if it is not working properly , one should stop using Realtek and Nvidia.

Hmm , that reminds me something.

Ahh , why don't you stop using Wine then if you are so straight about non working stuff?

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