Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardScreen tearings everywhere?

Sure, don't use blobs (hello Nvidia users).

You rang? :)

In case you didn't know, for several releases now there's been a handy option to solve all tearing in the evil proprietary Nvidia settings application. Please, stop spreading FUD. Default compositor setups on most distros take care of most of it anyway for normal desktop use.

I'll stay out of the wine debate. It's an impressive and interesting piece of software, but of little practical use to me. I'm used to ignoring anything that's not available for Linux. After all these years, I treat Windows releases like I've always treated console releases. I might think "looks cool", but then I move on. And no, I don't feel like I'm losing out.

But hey, it's really nice the only game I made the mistake of buying based on vague hints and/or promises (Telsa Effect) works fine on Wine. Had to wait for quite a while until it did though.

Shmerl is all like that.

Nvidia shitposting , AMD praising ( which they deserve it ) , GOG praising , Steam shitposting.

He is all against to Linux gaming entirely , only he doesn't know about it.

Since he uses only GOG he refuses to buy anything Linux compatible from Steam. Like Feral ports , VP ports etc.

Actually , he doesn't seem to understand, without Steam ; he wouldn't see so much Linux game on GOG too.

TL:DR; He is all against for people try to do something good for Linux gaming scene and instead of supporting them he choose supporting companies gave zero fucks about Linux.

What a great way...

Yeah , dual booters hurts yeah. Not you and your alikes Shmerl.

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Quoting: ShmerlFor most cases you don't need that. Linux works out of the box for the "average Joe".

No , it is not. Some simple examples:
When you use your monitor with dvi to vga adaptor or a similar one ; it won't be able to detect your monitor res. ( Windows detects it correctly btw )

Minute 1 , goal 1. Welcome to the world of terminal.

If you have a Realtek wi fi chip , welcome to the world of terminal.

Screen tearings everywhere? Welcome to the world of terminal.

You have to configure your gaming periphals? Welcome to the world of terminal.

So adding top of these , Wine usage? C'mon , Wine is not a solution. For a newcomer , only outcome is native games.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardWindows is there today , strongest. Why? Because of it's apps.

Nope, you missed it right there. For the vast majority of users, Windows offers nothing that Linux can't. That doesn't stop Windows from being most used. It's most used because people are programmed to use it, by PC manufacturers bundling Windows everywhere. That's about it. Cases of people needing Windows only stuff that doesn't work on Linux are a minority.

No , there is a huge difference at yours Linux "can't" point of view and mine also.

Native support for these apps.

People you described as "programmed to use Windows" are average Joe's mostly , they even barely use Windows.

Your offering is this : You can do this also on Linux. On Windows it is two click away , on Linux go there , do that x , apply that y , compile that z , fiddle lit bit with you mouse ( gotta love the mouse ) etc.

They can't do this. They need to install things like what they did on Windows. With Wine and offerings like these , it is not possible. Onlymarkets like Steam or GOG can provide these with native builds. Not with Wine.

Any questions?

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardSo you're basically saying as long as you don't have to use , you're willing to feed your hated Windows market?

I'm saying that as long as you are using Windows, you are feeding the Windows market. Then, if you buy recent Windows only game - you are not expressing interest in Linux version for that developer. That's why I personally avoid it. But that's not what's feeding the Windows market. Usage of Windows does.

Dude , your logic is really out of the roof.

Windows is there today , strongest. Why? Because of it's apps. Why there are so many apps on there? Because people buying it.

Oh , wait a minute. That is the part where your logic blows. You're in these statics too Shmerl. Like others , you bought a Windows only product.

So , like a sane person devs would count you and Wine users as a Windows user. Because ; for example : If a man goes to a game store and bought a PS3 game , logic says customer must have bought it for PS3 , right? Because it is compatible with it , not with Xbox or PC right?

So shop owner would say : Hey , these PS3 games actually selling very good. I should order much more for these.

However you only bought this game to dump a legit copy for RPCS3 in order to play it?

Shmerl , you're better than this.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardI'm not a dual booter?

That doesn't need to apply specifically to you, but to anyone who doalboots. They have several options. Either find replacement for what they use on Windows natively, or if they can't run it in Wine. The worse one is to continue dual booting.

So you're basically saying as long as you don't have to use , you're willing to feed your hated Windows market?

Wow , your logic is just... I'm speechless right now... Wow , just wow...

Anyway , let's give it a go to Witcher3 on DxVK with a not-legit copy. Shall we?

Oh , wait. Yes , with Wine evolving you can feed more and more your beloved , non Linux caring platform GOG. With buying more and more Windows games.

I think this site and reddit Linux gaming needs to change their name to "Gaming on Wine , a true Windows backyard or a little bit spinoff".

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardNo , it is not. There are many people out who use Windows partition for only Photoshop like programs and gaming on Linux partition and buying Linux only games.

So ; Wine users are mostly much more worse than dual booters.

So, we'll disagree. As long as you dualboot, I also don't see your criticism of Wine as valid even according to your approach. Start with replacing dualbooting with Wine for everything that you have exclusively on Windows, and ditching everything that doesn't work otherwise. Then you can start criticizing Wine as something worse than native approach.

I'm not a dual booter?

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardProblem is not the dual booting , problem is feeding Windows market.

The major step there is to stop using Windows for good. That automatically reduces Windows market. So dualbooting is way bigger issue if you are concerned about reducing Windows market.

No , it is not. There are many people out who use Windows partition for only Photoshop like programs and gaming on Linux partition and buying Linux only games.

So ; Wine users are mostly much more worse than dual booters.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardIs PUBG runs with it? No

Is Fortnite runs with it? No

Is League of Legends runs without crashing? Maybe today , unsure for tomorrow

DRM tends not to work in Wine, but what effect does it have on anything? Developers of said games don't have interest in Linux, and if Wine doesn't support them, it means such cases are irrelevant to the idea, that Wine somehow hurts native Linux releases. So your example only disproves such claims.

Wine does support many games in practice, so what Xpander said is correct, that Wine helps people switch to Linux and ditch Windows, thus weakening the catch 22.

And also, let's ask critics or Wine, are they dual booting or not? If they do, they should consider using Wine instead.

You're either really really dumb ( which you're not ) or pretending to be a one for making excuses for Wine.

Problem is not the dual booting , problem is feeding Windows market.

You're giving money for an unsupported product, on an unsupported OS in order to run it via an unsupported tool.

That is a big middle finger to devs who put effort into Linux versions for their games. Why they did it , you would buy it anyway for Wine.

If you don't get it , i can try to explain much more simply.

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Quoting: F.UltraBtw how does one get the IWAD files out of the Doom bought from GOG, I reckon that it's a Windows installer so do one have to do a wine install and then move some files or is it possible to open the installer with an archiver and get the files that way or how does this work?

You can extract like that , with innoextract.

https://forum.openmw.org/viewtopic.php?t=3510 [External Link]

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Quoting: Xpanderi think wine also helps with growing linux market share. I mean how many people ask for "I want to switch to linux, but i play this or that game, will it work on linux?" if those said games work good enough a person can try out Linux and probably will buy some native games as well, while growing the Linux market.

Its the chicken-egg problem anyway, we need more users to get somewhere and wine can help with that.

No , you're just fooling yourself.

Is PUBG runs with it? No

Is Fortnite runs with it? No

Is League of Legends runs without crashing? Maybe today , unsure for tomorrow

You sound like Wine evolved into a stage that it can run anything. No , we're still trying 4 or 5 years games to work at a decent performance on Wine. We're not even up-to-date. So Wine is not a convincing tool and it never will be.

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