That move is purely for removing the multiplayer side effect of GOG Galaxy lack on Linux.

I still can't believe so much hostility towards Valve.

Kudos to Valve!

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: LeopardShmerl is all like that.

Shmerl disagrees with me on some things, but so do you. And that's fine. Debate facts, opinions, ideology, whatever, but please don't make it personal. That only leads to pointless drama.

It is ok but can you tell me disagreement between you and me?

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Looks nice , i beat Pokemon Red at least 3 times. Played others too a little bit.

Certainly interested!

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardWhen you use your monitor with dvi to vga adaptor or a similar one ; it won't be able to detect your monitor res. ( Windows detects it correctly btw )

Good luck with that. I saw enough horror stories with monitor detection on Windows, when you use analog ones (VGA). If you want to save your sanity, don't use VGA to begin with.

Quoting: LeopardIf you have a Realtek wi fi chip , welcome to the world of terminal.

Realtek chips are quite poor in general, even on Windows. Use Intel.

Quoting: LeopardScreen tearings everywhere?

Sure, don't use blobs (hello Nvidia users). Problem solved.

Quoting: LeopardYou have to configure your gaming periphals?

Quite a minority case, most don't have any such peripherals. And gamers who have, are ready to configure them as needed. Gaming on Linux is a special case, we were talking about average Joe, and that doesn't mean gamers.

Nice said.

You said if it is not working properly , one should stop using Realtek and Nvidia.

Hmm , that reminds me something.

Ahh , why don't you stop using Wine then if you are so straight about non working stuff?

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardScreen tearings everywhere?

Sure, don't use blobs (hello Nvidia users).

You rang? :)

In case you didn't know, for several releases now there's been a handy option to solve all tearing in the evil proprietary Nvidia settings application. Please, stop spreading FUD. Default compositor setups on most distros take care of most of it anyway for normal desktop use.

I'll stay out of the wine debate. It's an impressive and interesting piece of software, but of little practical use to me. I'm used to ignoring anything that's not available for Linux. After all these years, I treat Windows releases like I've always treated console releases. I might think "looks cool", but then I move on. And no, I don't feel like I'm losing out.

But hey, it's really nice the only game I made the mistake of buying based on vague hints and/or promises (Telsa Effect) works fine on Wine. Had to wait for quite a while until it did though.

Shmerl is all like that.

Nvidia shitposting , AMD praising ( which they deserve it ) , GOG praising , Steam shitposting.

He is all against to Linux gaming entirely , only he doesn't know about it.

Since he uses only GOG he refuses to buy anything Linux compatible from Steam. Like Feral ports , VP ports etc.

Actually , he doesn't seem to understand, without Steam ; he wouldn't see so much Linux game on GOG too.

TL:DR; He is all against for people try to do something good for Linux gaming scene and instead of supporting them he choose supporting companies gave zero fucks about Linux.

What a great way...

Yeah , dual booters hurts yeah. Not you and your alikes Shmerl.

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Quoting: ShmerlFor most cases you don't need that. Linux works out of the box for the "average Joe".

No , it is not. Some simple examples:
When you use your monitor with dvi to vga adaptor or a similar one ; it won't be able to detect your monitor res. ( Windows detects it correctly btw )

Minute 1 , goal 1. Welcome to the world of terminal.

If you have a Realtek wi fi chip , welcome to the world of terminal.

Screen tearings everywhere? Welcome to the world of terminal.

You have to configure your gaming periphals? Welcome to the world of terminal.

So adding top of these , Wine usage? C'mon , Wine is not a solution. For a newcomer , only outcome is native games.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardWindows is there today , strongest. Why? Because of it's apps.

Nope, you missed it right there. For the vast majority of users, Windows offers nothing that Linux can't. That doesn't stop Windows from being most used. It's most used because people are programmed to use it, by PC manufacturers bundling Windows everywhere. That's about it. Cases of people needing Windows only stuff that doesn't work on Linux are a minority.

No , there is a huge difference at yours Linux "can't" point of view and mine also.

Native support for these apps.

People you described as "programmed to use Windows" are average Joe's mostly , they even barely use Windows.

Your offering is this : You can do this also on Linux. On Windows it is two click away , on Linux go there , do that x , apply that y , compile that z , fiddle lit bit with you mouse ( gotta love the mouse ) etc.

They can't do this. They need to install things like what they did on Windows. With Wine and offerings like these , it is not possible. Onlymarkets like Steam or GOG can provide these with native builds. Not with Wine.

Any questions?

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardSo you're basically saying as long as you don't have to use , you're willing to feed your hated Windows market?

I'm saying that as long as you are using Windows, you are feeding the Windows market. Then, if you buy recent Windows only game - you are not expressing interest in Linux version for that developer. That's why I personally avoid it. But that's not what's feeding the Windows market. Usage of Windows does.

Dude , your logic is really out of the roof.

Windows is there today , strongest. Why? Because of it's apps. Why there are so many apps on there? Because people buying it.

Oh , wait a minute. That is the part where your logic blows. You're in these statics too Shmerl. Like others , you bought a Windows only product.

So , like a sane person devs would count you and Wine users as a Windows user. Because ; for example : If a man goes to a game store and bought a PS3 game , logic says customer must have bought it for PS3 , right? Because it is compatible with it , not with Xbox or PC right?

So shop owner would say : Hey , these PS3 games actually selling very good. I should order much more for these.

However you only bought this game to dump a legit copy for RPCS3 in order to play it?

Shmerl , you're better than this.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardI'm not a dual booter?

That doesn't need to apply specifically to you, but to anyone who doalboots. They have several options. Either find replacement for what they use on Windows natively, or if they can't run it in Wine. The worse one is to continue dual booting.

So you're basically saying as long as you don't have to use , you're willing to feed your hated Windows market?

Wow , your logic is just... I'm speechless right now... Wow , just wow...

Anyway , let's give it a go to Witcher3 on DxVK with a not-legit copy. Shall we?

Oh , wait. Yes , with Wine evolving you can feed more and more your beloved , non Linux caring platform GOG. With buying more and more Windows games.

I think this site and reddit Linux gaming needs to change their name to "Gaming on Wine , a true Windows backyard or a little bit spinoff".

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardNo , it is not. There are many people out who use Windows partition for only Photoshop like programs and gaming on Linux partition and buying Linux only games.

So ; Wine users are mostly much more worse than dual booters.

So, we'll disagree. As long as you dualboot, I also don't see your criticism of Wine as valid even according to your approach. Start with replacing dualbooting with Wine for everything that you have exclusively on Windows, and ditching everything that doesn't work otherwise. Then you can start criticizing Wine as something worse than native approach.

I'm not a dual booter?

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