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Quoting: liamdaweI don't really get what's hard to grasp here, but okay.

Being good at one thing (making a game on Windows, that might work on multiple OS), does not make someone good (or make something easy) at something else (Linux).

Quoting: Leopardam i wrong to expect from a dev to be able of installing Windows or Linux?

Yes, you're wrong to just assume everyone should know how to do something.

See , that is your problem Liam.

You're just exaggerating "being grateful to devs" approach. Of course we are greatful but eventually we're gonna pay for a product and because of that we will expect support for it. How can a dev maintain support without even bothering to test it himself?

Let's say he provided a succesful build for testers at this time. When something changes from our system's end or drivers end and that breaks the game ; how can he fix this? Or is he even bother to fix it at first place?

When you decided to release a product on Ios , you should test it first.

When you decided to release a product on Windows , on Android , on MacOS , on Linux ; you should test it first.

I don't know what is so hard to grasp here too.

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Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: liamdaweKeep in mind that not all developers are some kind of uber geek, Linux is completely fresh territory for some people.

But there is no need to be an uber geek to get a Linux distro ; if you are installing an Ubuntu based distro or even SteamOS. Pretty simple , GUI stuff. Just like Windows.

I don't want them install pure Arch or Gentoo anyway.

I'm not an uber geek too btw.

This is my point, to us installing Linux is easy. You have to imagine how people feel who've never looked into it, a large majority of Windows users/developers have likely never even installed Windows.

People need to step outside the box and understand not everyone is as comfortable as us with new things, especially if say they only have one computer they use for developing their livelihood that they don't want to mess up.

I got your point but this assumption of yours is pretty much relevant for "basic , home users " which buying pre loaded computers.

I mean , c'mon... We are talking about a game dev (?) , am i wrong to expect from a dev to be able of installing Windows or Linux?

How can they're fixing bugs then or creating games?

It must be way more complicated than installing an OS.

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Quoting: liamdaweKeep in mind that not all developers are some kind of uber geek, Linux is completely fresh territory for some people.

But there is no need to be an uber geek to get a Linux distro ; if you are installing an Ubuntu based distro or even SteamOS. Pretty simple , GUI stuff. Just like Windows.

I don't want them install pure Arch or Gentoo anyway.

I'm not an uber geek too btw.

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Didn't find the way to test it...

Is it that hard just installing a Linux distro for at least self testing?

Probably he just hit that "export" button and called it a day.

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Quoting: AryvandaarIt doesn't support PC if it only supports Windows on the PC HARDWARE PLATFORM. When are these developers going to get it into their head that PC is a hardware platform, not the OS!? It's not that hard. I'd imagine that people who work in these jobs should have the ability to understand this tiny thing.

It's highly related with Apple.

Apple did their own campaign about this ; " We are Mac , they are pc's. "

And when this term came out , they were referring Windows.

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Quoting: LeopardI do piracy. But how and which products that i use cracked versions? Not Linux supported ones. I think paying for a product that not support Linux is abysmal to my usage case. I try to run them via Wine , sometime with success , sometimes not.

What if somebody is using OpenBSD? Would that be a good reason to not pay for games - but still play them - if they don't support OpenBSD?

If it is not supported , why not?

Why are we paying for products in the first place?

Because by supporting platforms , developers or publishers are guarentee a certain level of compability and performance.

Just because of that ; i'm waiting for Everspace to get official support. I just want to get a solid performance natively and if it is not i want to refund.

You can't do that with buying a product which not supports your system , OS ; because this software is not designed to run on your device in the first place.

If i was excusing that for piracy , i would be pirating supported sofwares too. Which i'm not.

I just don't want to use Windows but there are some apps i want to use designed for Windows first place.

For example ; if one wants to pirate everything then he/she can go with fully Windows versions by using Windows or Wine.

There is nothing stopping them.

Linux is a heaven when you compare piracy to Windows area , there are so few people pirating Linux versions at all.

We want to support devs who supports us , but i can't do that by also buying not supported items too. In this case , i would support Windows ecosystem only for not expecting support and most importantly telling devs " There is no need for Linux support , i'm buying it anyway. "

From my POV , that is disrespectful for devs who cares about supporting and releasing a Linux version of their product.

Also a note ; i'm not a Drm free freak. I'm just buying games from Steam.

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Afaik , Star Citizen team is customized the Lumberyard engine for their own use. So you can say they forked it for their own use long ago , Lumberyard without Linux support won't be an issue for them i guess.

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Quoting: stretch611As for piracy...

It would be nice to avoid it, but sadly human nature is ugly.

With all the technical people that use linux... and the majority of linux users do have technical backgrounds. It is pretty much biting off the hands that feeds us. And with the amount of public domain and open source programs including games, it is sad that it still happens in this community.

At least i will speak to my behalf.

I do piracy. But how and which products that i use cracked versions?

Not Linux supported ones. I think paying for a product that not support Linux is abysmal to my usage case. I try to run them via Wine , sometime with success , sometimes not.

I'm buying every product legally , which supports Linux.

Paying for a product is equal to me , expecting support. Since i can't expect support for a title i ran through Wine ; i'm not buying them.

If someday they start to support Linux , i will gladly buy them too. But until then , no Tux no bucks. Since running that piece of software is not guarenteed , therefore i don't need to pay.

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Quoting: LeopardYes , Hitman is the most recent example. It is drm free. It doesn't need any internet connection for playing game.

Ah , if you are one of the people who saying " When a game is on Steam , it is not drm free no matter what ; because Steam is drm and you need to use Steam for games " , then i must say also GOG is drm. Because you also need account for purchasing and downloading games from there , naturally.

You're wrong about Hitman, you need a constant connection to get everything in the game, without a connection only the main campaign is accessible. It doesn't even save your progress without a connection.

No , it saves.
You can't get elusive targets of course , they're one time run missions and they have a leaderboard like a competitive game around the globe.

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