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But i'm not saying that Valve did the engineering.Your all examples based on that.

Valve did the marketing side,which is so important.If you cannot advertise and can't make viable a platform;all of your tools means nothing.

I know AMD did the Mantle,which evolved to Vulkan but one of the strongest backers is Valve,because of aim for get rid from OpenGL and have a competitor API against Dx.

I'm so greatful to Unity,Loki etc. but eventually Valve is pushing up Linux gaming.And that Steam Audio is one of the examples of this co operation.

Unity is one of the engines who officially supported by Steam Audio.

Some people here are so simplfying Valve's contributions but they forget before 2013.Now we have 3000+ games on Steam and much more AAA games than ever.

I wish also GOG platform can contribute and support Linux like Valve but they think that is not viable.So in this condition,hating Valve is a nasty thing.Because they have a major impact on Linux gaming,while other markets don't.

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Quoting: m2mg2Anyone notice on their twitter they mentioned no ETA for "PC/MAC/Linux" cross platform multiplayer? Using PC to mean Windows. Grateful for CIV VI on Linux but not encouraged by their behavior towards Linux recently. Would have loved to have gotten Jade, KOTOR I and/or Mafia II on Linux.

Because they're also publishing Windows and XboxOne versions of Layers of Fear.Look at their tweets and likes.They're more and more Windows related.If they can tie some indie developers to them and make businesses bigger,they will drop Mac and Linux things.At least Linux.

If we can't start to get in house ports from big studios,i'm afraid this inevidable.

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Quoting: LeopardValve is the pioneer of Linux gaming so far,

Repeating this permanently does not make it true.

Pioneers of Linux gaming have been Loki/LGP and Humble Inc.
Valve jumped on a rolling truck - I do not call that a Pioneer.

Valve has enough power to keep that truck (actually wheel fits more) rolling,opposite of them.

That's funny that you're keeping Valve and Loki at the same category.Yeah,people just become aware with Loki,yeah yeah.We're greatful to Loki,all respects.But;seriously?!

http://www.lokigames.com/products/ [External Link]

Steam is great marketing platform for gamers and if it is not in a platform,you can consider it dead for gaming.Valve make it available at 2013 for Linux;at this moment if Linux gaming come to this point we can't deny their contribution.

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80Wait Valve are the pioneers of linux gaming how old are you like 10 it was actually ID that pioneered triple A gaming on linux back in the day and then after that Loki then it went dead for a long time and then valve came along they did not pioneer they merely picked up from where others left off.

I m talking about now.Anybody who is not blind can see this fact.

Valve haven't really pioneered much at all. They do put money into some things and help them along, but the #1 thing they bring to the table is actually visibility - it makes developers notice GNU/Linux a bit more when they might otherwise not have done so.
I'm not saying Valve haven't done anything, because they have. I wouldn't say they've pioneered much though. Just out of interest, what do you think they've actually done that could be considered pioneering? It's probably a lot less than you're thinking.

Yes,exactly.I'm talking about visibility.You can have greatest system but if developers didn't notice you a bit;you are nothing.

They are pioneering by making stand behind the Vulkan,their Steam and SteamOS announcement is one of the main reasons that developers are keep in mind Linux.

They're not engineering,you're right.But they're advertising it by these things.

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They are pioneering by making stand behind the Vulkan,their Steam and SteamOS announcement is one of the main reasons that developers are keep in mind Linux.

They're not engineering,you're right.But they're advertising it by these things.

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Quoting: ShmerlBeing a leader makes concerns of lock-in only stronger. Leaders which lock out competition become monopolists.

Then tell your beloved GOG to make some improvements.I would love to see that to,i want Witcher3 on Linux,Witcher 1 and Card Game and Adventure one too,which they support Mac and Windows.(except Witcher 3). Oh also i want to see client which is available for Mac and Windows.

You're all but talking,Gog does nothing.So if you can't accept this fact,there is no point of talking.

Valve is the pioneer of Linux gaming so far,so why not Gog take a step in this world?Ohh,wait.You're right.We're not profitable.That's not Valve thinks anyway.Thank you Valve.

Wait Valve are the pioneers of linux gaming how old are you like 10 it was actually ID that pioneered triple A gaming on linux back in the day and then after that Loki then it went dead for a long time and then valve came along they did not pioneer they merely picked up from where others left off.

I m talking about now.Anybody who is not blind can see this fact.

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I m talking about now.Anybody who is not blind can see this fact.

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Quoting: t3gIts funny how Valve complained about the Windows Store being a walled garden and then make their own software an even bigger one by releasing more and more APIs and libraries to force you to use Steam.

That's why gaming in Linux, if you use Steam, is no less of a closed platform than gaming on Windows. Non-free store to play non-free games.

Can you look up a little bit?How it is possible to lock in which is also available on Android?Is there an Android Steam gaming client that we don't know?

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Quoting: ShmerlNo, I'm talking about libraries which are tied to Steam. I already referenced them above. Controller API, SteamVR, Steamworks and so on. Using them prevents developers from releasing their games outside of Steam.

Yes,i agree on that.Some brave and not on money lust companies like GOG and Cdpr needed to create API s,which not tied to anything.Yes,i think they should do it.That will be good for everyone.All we need to do is wait i guess.

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Quoting: KeyrockI doubt this will create lock in. It will probably be a check box in options menus that will be greyed out if you're not on Steam, much like Dolby Surround or EAX have been for years.

Then how it is supporting Android?There is no Steam gaming client on Android.That basically support for Unity engine.And that called co operation if you ask me.Since Android supports Vulkan and Unity is one of the earlier adopters of Vulkan,that is not so much Steam related but engine related.

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