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Quoting: win8linuxI've seen the last half of that sentence in particular happen with all kinds of software over the years and there are pretty good chances that it will happen again sometime after this comment.

"I know about computers; of course I should use Arch rather than this 'beginner' distro. 'Remove essential packages'? Do as I say!"

I recently watched a "YouTube famous computer guy" do exactly this thing while trying to install Steam and run a game. Of course many WinTrolls in the comments thread used this as an excuse to point out "See? Linux isn't 'user friendly' at all.", despite the fact that the guy purposely chose to drop to a command shell, force the issue that the GUI warned him about and disallowed, and then actively ignored the huge and obvious warning that this was sure to break things if he proceeds.

We had a huge discussion on this topic last week, on this article, if you're interested.

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Quoting: scaineI've a Gnome guy since I started on Linux, albeit dabbling with various other DEs over the years. Nothing outside of Gnome felt like home, however. Until about 3 months ago when I gave KDE another shot and discovered that I could get the exact same experience/workflow, but without the various dumbed-down apps. Gnome will always have a special place in my heart, but I'm a KDE convert now.

Tried it but am used to activities overview so much I moved back to gnome. i wonder how did you overcome this.

I didn't rely on the overview much, but I definitely miss it when I press the super key. I now have that mapped to open Extended Menu, which is a nice start menu. And when I need activities overview itself, I use super-tab.

Not ideal, but not a deal breaker for me either.

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Yeah, can't really disagree with much of that, Alm888. I'm a long way from no-tux-no-bux, but I'm definitely native-first and big-sale-only otherwise. My Prime sub has dropped a few big, but free Origin titles into my Lutris folder recently too (two Battlefield titles, DragonAge Inquisition and Squadrons), so I might even consider Fallen Order at some point if the Christmas sale is big enough.

It'll be interesting to see how SteamDeck changes the landscape, if at all. I'd like to see Linux (gaming) market share rise to around 5%, which I think is the point where you just can't really choose to ignore it as a platform, but a 5x increase is asking a lot, particularly in these post-COVID, silicon-starved times.

I'll stay optimistic though.

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that sees you take down an evil reincarnation of Maggie Thatcher

I think there might be a redundant word in there somewhere...

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Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: CatKiller

• developer promises Mac & Linux support


• developer breaks promise, demonstrating that they can't be trusted


• developer promises Steam Deck support


• ...

• Linux users happily buy developer's Windows-exclusive product


• …

Love it or hate it, such a world we are living in. Linux is irrelevant. This story will (I suppose) prove this developer's initial assertion of the market was spot-on. It is better to ignore Linux completely -- less hassle that way and no real monetary loss.

Speak for yourself. I only buy Windows-only games at absolutely rock bottom prices and rarely even then - most of my Windows library post-2013 is from Humble Monthly/Choice. I've bought several native titles at full price though.

Also, I tend to remember developer's antics. I'm not buying from these guys - they promised Linux support, then dropped it like a hot potato once they were funded. Absolute fraud move. I have no time for them. They're up there with THQ Nordic for their 8chan "shout out to Mark" antics and Epic Games for their exclusivity bull.

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Quoting: FredrikI really doubt it, its way to buggy and slow compared to gnome atm, they where catching up, but then gnome released gnome 41 and its even faster then xfce.

Are you saying XFCE is buggy and slow? Isn't XFCE known/respected as one of the faster/lighter DEs out there? And what bugs are you referring to? Have you experienced any? Because again, XFCE is ancient and fairly stable in terms of development. I'd very surprised if there were significant bugs still affecting the experience these days. When did you last try it??

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I like the look of this - reminds me of Invisible Inc, which I raved about in my PIN review (THREE YEARS ago?? WTH!!). I'll be wishlisting this for sure.

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Quoting: drmothDo I really have to spell it out for you?

Yes? Because I've never experienced any breakage?

You listed four issues from your 2 minute search, three of which are unofficial theme issues and one appears to be a broken Manjaro install. Maybe KDE has some quality issues on the "Get New Themes" site, but I have about 20 themes installed and as I say... never experienced an issue. As for Manjaro, I had lots of issues with it, but KDE ran flawlessly, so presumably that near-two year old bug you referenced has been addressed.

I'm trying to decipher the weird language people employ when they have (often misplaced) preconceptions about things. It's frustrating to hear generalised, unconstructive feedback on anything ("it's clunky", "it's bloated", "it breaks") - but it's even more frustrating if/when you discover it's entirely unjustified.

As for Gnome, btw, I've never had it "break" either (visually or otherwise). The only problem I have with Gnome is that extensions frequently refuse to install. That's not "breakage" in my book, just a maintenance issue (and sometimes a dependency issue). It could use more polish, for sure.

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Quoting: furaxhornyxI also find it buggy and clunky as well

Can you be specific? What bugs did you encounter? How is it clunky?

I loved Cinnamon and still have three of my four devices (for my wife and two sons) running Mint in the house. But after using KDE on my own machine, I've found my new home. And the reason for the change remains - xrDesktop doesn't support Cinnamon - it only supports Gnome and KDE, so those are my choices. Gnome is great (with enough extensions), but I'm blown away by KDE.

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Quoting: omer666It's kind of bloated

I'm gonna start sounding like a rabid KDE fanboy here, but I'm really curious by the language people use when talking about it. What makes KDE bloated?

I get your other point, sure. There's definitely a little more "interface" showing in KDE apps, than gnome. Not much though, in my experience and the more I use KDE apps like the file manager and the PDF viewer, the more I realise how much extremely useful functionality I've been missing thanks to all my years on Gnome.

Like Dolphin - I launched Nautilus every single day of my life and every time, I had to move the window to its location on the bottom left, navigate quickly to my Downloads directory, then open a new tab and navigate that to Documents. On Dolphin, all of that happens when I launch it (it remembers its window position and its last-opened tabs). Miraculous.

But back to "bloated". How so? What would you change to unbloat it?

(I've heard rumours that KDE is lighter in RAM/CPU than Gnome these days, so presumably it's not that kind of bloat we're talking about, but interesting if it is!)

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