Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: MalOh come on. Don't point the exception to the rule and call it the norm. :D

Even if true - it still has nothing to do with your claim that Valve lowered the fees for big publishers. They didn't. They still have a 30%/70% share.

But they did. In 2018, they reduced their fees for big publishers (technically any game over $10M sales is reduced). What am I missing here?

https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/30/18120577/valve-steam-game-marketplace-revenue-split-new-rules-competition [External Link]

Edit:

Wait, just re-read - are you (kuhpunkt) suggesting that it's technically not a price reduction for big publishers because like 2 indies managed to make $10M of sales!?!

Haha - okay then. Yeah, I'm with Mal. They reduced their prices for big publishers, make no mistake. The fact that a couple of indie lottery winners benefited as well is of no relevance. It was done to appease the big guns and honestly, it's probably the only reason we're seeing Origin games back on Steam. I also believe it's the only reason we're seeing some Sony titles on there too. Their motivation here was clear. I'm gobsmacked you're arguing such a technicality.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyThis won't happen.
But, wouldn't it be cool if this were installed on the Steam Deck by default, Valve could get some of the developers of these games to put them up for sale on Steam (just ones that work pretty well), and the games kind-of-automatically used this the way Windows games use Proton, or at least it could be picked as an option like Boxtron? Maybe with a game-view option that would let you look through just PS3 games if you wanted?

Yeah, that would be cool. And you have to kind of think that Valve do have this idea at the back of their minds, since the "Force Compatibility Tool" lets you choose various options, such as Luxtorpeda. It would be great to see the older Uncharted games just sold normally, but behind the scenes, they're calling an RPCS3 back-end engine.

I suppose their biggest hurdle might be making this feasible on Windows. Or, as you suggest, making it a Steam Deck exclusive, which they are dead-set against.

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Quoting: mao_dze_dunOh, come on. Did you just blame Epic for GOG's troubles? Liam, please :D.

What... what did you read? Where did you read that?

Are you referring to where Liam notes that EVEN EPIC can't succeed with their millions of dollars, exclusives and free games, and somehow, in your head, turned that into "Liam blaming Epic" for GOG's failure?

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Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: scaineNot as bad as Itch though, which lets you re-buy games you already own with no warning whatsoever. Just buy it over and over again, no problem. So flawed. And of course, since there's no way to see what you own on Itch.... nah, I gave up. It might be an open source client, but it hasn't evolved significantly at all in the years since it arrived. Just such a shame.

https://itch.io/my-purchases [External Link]

Do not thank me. :)

Ha! Yeah, I saw they'd added that a while back, but it only works for games you've bought directly from a game's page (and the list, oddly, doesn't show you platform support). But at least it match what you see in "Library / Owned Games" in the Itch client.

But I've bought two bundles on Itch, which amounts to several hundred games/tools, and while I page through, or search those titles on that same page, there's no way to see them in the client. You have to go to the game's web page and activate it somehow - I forget how now, but when I realised I'd have to do so for 59 pages of games, I gave up.

But as I say, my main gripe is that while I bought, say, Nuclear Throne, on Itch about 3 years ago, I can still buy it again, while logged in, with no warning at all that I already own it. Now extend that to 59 pages of bundles... yeech.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: The_Aquabatnot surpised since Cyberpunk is a pretty bad game.

Not sure what you mean. I've been playing it for a while (close to completing it) and it's a very good game. It feels smaller than the Witcher 3 in scope though.

Yeah - CyberPunk is actually pretty superb. Poor launch, of course. But since the 1.3 patch, it's been an excellent experience. Great graphics, decent story, excellent side-missions and most important of all, fun.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: SeegrasI mostly stopped buying from other stores (except itch.io; and the rare DOS-game on gog) simply because I lost the overview on what I already have.

If I can't crosscheck whether I already have it on steam, it's too much a hassle.

....you can't login to gog.com and view what games are in your library? I find that difficult to believe. I'm hoping I'm missing something here, or that you're not explaining it clearly enough, because otherwise this is a prime example of making up things to justify wanting to buy elsewhere. Just say you want to buy elsewhere in that case, no need to justify it.

Their point is the convenience of seeing quickly whether you own a game. I have the same annoyance when the Humble Choice comes out each month, because while Humble allows Steam linking for redeeming the games, there's no library search function. So I have to grab the title, visit steampowered.com, enter it and see if I own it. Doing that for 10-12 games... it's just a bit tedious.

Not as bad as Itch though, which lets you re-buy games you already own with no warning whatsoever. Just buy it over and over again, no problem. So flawed. And of course, since there's no way to see what you own on Itch.... nah, I gave up. It might be an open source client, but it hasn't evolved significantly at all in the years since it arrived. Just such a shame.

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I've love to use and advocate for GOG, but they don't offer a Linux client.

I'd love to use and advocate for Itch, but their client still can't even tell me what games I own, so I've largely given up on it.

Origin and uPlay can both get in the sea as attempts by publishers to control their own catalogues. Fair enough, but since it comes at the expense of their customers... not interested.

Epic can get in the sea for two reasons - exclusives and a lack of a Linux client. Nope.

So, yeah, that leaves Valve and the Steam client.

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Quoting: dubigrasuNot anytime soon, no.
But I think that unless there's a major shift in the way of how society and technology are advancing, eventually everything will move to the cloud, in some centralized form whether we like it or not.

Or maybe it will be something entirely new, who knows, we always like to predict the future based on on what we know about the present, and when the future comes, it comes in unexpected forms.

In any case, I don't think gaming as it stands today with local collections and expensive/bulky personal devices will survive for long. We are the last dinosaurs and we don't realize it yet.

Can't say I entirely disagree. I thought much the same about music streaming when it first landed, but I'm bought into that. But it succeeded for reasons that don't apply to cloud gaming.

And in any case, my main point is really just that trying to convince people that cloud gaming is saving the planet is completely deluded. It might succeed for other reasons, but everyone ditching their gaming rigs to play cloud-based games on chromebooks? This ain't it, chief.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: GuestA (gaming) cloud provider serving 1000 users wastes way less resources than 1000 gaming rigs.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this, for the reasons I've already outlined. Perhaps, as I've already suggested, if some dystopian law outlawed local devices and forced us all to use low-energy laptops/chromebooks for accessing our efficiently-built cloud-gaming services... then sure, yeah, maybe there's a saving to be had (assuming we brush the insane impact on the internet the table).

But real life doesn't work like that. And anyone who dystopian for cloud gaming "because it's better for our environment" is just being disingenuous. Or naive.

Please, read the last part of my post.
Chip shortage is a bonus; if this will continue there would be no need for a dystopian law :)
Maybe, finally, we'll start working and thinking again on efficiency over wastefulness.

I read the last part - it's naive and unrealistic to think that we (gamers) are all going to ditch rigs we've spent thousands of pounds on to game, instead, on a Chromebook.

Not to mention all the other drawbacks of cloud gaming (requirement for large bandwidth, always-on internet connection, lock-in to platform, game availability, lack of mods, and the fact that the service, itself, is a form of DRM).

Just, no. That won't happen. So there's no environment positive that comes out of this service.

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Quoting: GuestA (gaming) cloud provider serving 1000 users wastes way less resources than 1000 gaming rigs.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this, for the reasons I've already outlined. Perhaps, as I've already suggested, if some dystopian law outlawed local devices and forced us all to use low-energy laptops/chromebooks for accessing our efficiently-built cloud-gaming services... then sure, yeah, maybe there's a saving to be had (assuming we brush the insane impact on the internet the table).

But real life doesn't work like that. And anyone who advocates for cloud gaming "because it's better for our environment" is just being disingenuous. Or naive.

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