Quoting: milkyEasy to see why Valve would go with KDE on something like the Deck, where it can be tweaked and kept in the background. But barring some massive changes to the landscape I'd never, ever use it on the desktop. Just far too clunky, buggy, and ugly.

Good god, when was the last time you tried it? It's not clunky any more, although editing the panel should be easier, I admit. Buggy? I've not experienced a single bug. Not sure how prevalent bugs on DEs are - can't imagine they last long after being reported. As for ugly - there's way more themes on stock KDE than you get on Gnome, even when delving into Gnome-look for further customisation. KDE is stunning these days. But then, frankly, all the DEs are stunning these days. If you think there's a reasonably modern, yet ugly DE out there, you're just not trying! Check out the screenshot thread for some inspiration, maybe?

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Quoting: NezchanAnd here's me sitting back on MATE with a bowl of popcorn, watching the show.

Does KDE still have all those large, ugly desktop widgets that were still around a couple of years ago when I last checked it out?

Nah, the widgets seem very refined these days, but they're still there if you want them, or ignore them if you don't. Before my conversion a few months back, I was (like you, I suspect) put off by KDE's insistence that I create a fairly ugly "desktop" widget just so that I could see my desktop icons.

Ironically, I rarely use desktop icons these days, but they work normally now, so you only use widgets (like I do) if you want some core functionality - in my case, a groceries list. The clock is actually conky.

BTW - Mate can be quite pretty, but I felt that it needed quite a lot of customisation to be be so. The absolutely tiny window grab handles were also an issue, especially on 4K. Haven't used it in about two years though, so maybe they fixed both!

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Quoting: AcrophobicUser can change the theme and wallpaper.
There are no shortage of applications for Windows, and the installation can be done really easy.
All hardware are compatible with Windows.
Windows has a good backward compatibility, so even app from 30 years ago still usable and perfectly running in Windows 10 (my dad for some reasons hate Excel and still uses Lotus 123).

Your Dad must be using a fairly rare version of 32-bit Windows 10 then, otherwise, there's quite a few problems trying to get Lotus 123 running on that platform. It apparently ran well on Win 7, so maybe your Dad did an in-place upgrade?

That's a strength, and also a core weakness of Windows. Yes, old programs often work well. But that comes at the cost of enormous bloat, and backwards compatibility choking off future innovation.

Also, try running some old games on Windows 10 and you'll often be out of luck, oddly enough. You're likely going to have an easier time on Linux! :grin: I suppose you can always just re-purchase them on GOG to take the pain away though.

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I've a Gnome guy since I started on Linux, albeit dabbling with various other DEs over the years. Nothing outside of Gnome felt like home, however. Until about 3 months ago when I gave KDE another shot and discovered that I could get the exact same experience/workflow, but without the various dumbed-down apps. Gnome will always have a special place in my heart, but I'm a KDE convert now.

I think it was the last round of Nautilus removals that pushed me over the edge. Sure, there was always Nemo if I couldn't handle it any longer, but I have to say Dolphin is an absolute joy to work with.

Gotta love the choice Linux gives you.

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Quoting: drmothI am looking at KDE right now as the only alternative, but it's always had too much bling and too many settings, leading to rapid breakage.

There's that weird assertion again - changing options somehow "breaks" your system. What on EARTH are you doing to break your DE??? I've been using Linux daily since 2004 and tinkered with nearly every DE out there and with the exception of some early ccsm plug-ins, I've NEVER managed to break a DE by playing about with its options. Unless you count actively trying to break it. I guess you could do some really funky things with fonts? External themes, maybe? Languages?

How do you break a DE. Goddam.

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Quoting: GuestValve's representative didn't actually give a preference or official stance.

I'm not arguing it was a political answer, but it was a clear preference. He stated that native support is "even better". And he's a valve rep, so I'm not sure why you wouldn't think it's an official stance.

I don't agree with just about anything you've said on this thread Mirv (sorry! :grin:), but that's the main point that matters I think!

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I'm pretty bored of the narrative that if you're not running a rolling release, then you're outdated.

I'm on Pop, but I still have the latest kernels every day or so via xanmod. I have cutting edge Mesa via Kisak. It's a good mix.

Use the distro that works for you, but please, just please can we stop putting down other people's choices?

Look, I've tried Manjaro twice and it was a car crash both times, about two years apart. I don't spend my life telling everyone not to use it though, because it clearly does work for some people. That's great! I'll sing Pop's praises and the Arch bods can talk up Manjaro.

It's not hard. We're all running Linux here.

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Quoting: AsciiWolfSteam, for example. There were many problems with that package, I helped solve some of them (in collaboration with other Ubuntu community volunteers), but it was really pain in the arse and the package is still regularly broken and outdated.

So it's outdated and broken? That would be odd, since I'm using it every day.

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Quoting: AsciiWolfSadly, many of the Ubuntu packages are bad because they are outdated a broken

Examples?? Cos I've been using Ubuntu and its derivatives for decades and I have no idea what you're referring to here.

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Yeah, I rarely understand the grit of these posts, but I still enjoy reading about them. Definitely well worth posting! And you can always filter off the "Game Dev" tag if these posts don't interest you!

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