Quoting: dubigrasu

Quoting: scaineI think you're painting a far rosier picture of Windows multi-monitor support than I experience.

It is possible, true. I rarely use Windows, and when I do is for simple tasks. Still, that's the thing, I really don't remember having ever that level of frustration with Windows as I had with Linux multi-monitors, while trying to use some really basic features.

I do that in cycles, I start one day by connecting the second monitor, then get frustrated and remove it, and after a month I remember I have a great second monitor and would be great to use, connect it again, get frustrated again, remove it from a a month, and so on. I never learn.

Yeah, it's definitely a shambles. I remember thinking, "magic, Wayland will sort all this". But it doesn't really. I think the bulk of it sits in the DE, which is why I'm now pinning my hopes on KDE! :grin:

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I use multi-monitor Windows at my work and while you're probably not exaggerating your frustration at the Linux situation, I think you're painting a far rosier picture of Windows multi-monitor support than I experience. Windows frequently open on the wrong monitor. My biggest annoyance is having my windows on the big monitor, unplugging for a meeting, and discovering that one or two of the windows are simply gone. I can see them on the taskbar, but they're obviously still on some invisible second monitor that doesn't exist now. Only option is to kill them and re-open.

When you plug that second monitor back in too - nothing moves back to where it should be. This is a pain on Linux too, even if you fix all the other multi-monitor woes there... but apparently KDE has some functionality coming down the line that will address this. I hate having to drag four windows back to the big screen every time I sit back down at my desk.

Scaling is quirky too, given that my external monitor at work is 4K, but the laptop screen is 1080p. And don't get me started on the screen tear on the 4K monitor.

I guess multi-monitor is hard, because I've never had a very positive experience of it, on any O/S. I avoid it whenever I can.

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Quoting: F.UltraThen again they never ever give links to said posts so it's hard to know if it did happen, if it did happen but understandably so due to context or if it's just made up.

Great point. I spent over a decade on Ubuntu Forums, Ask Ubuntu and a handful of other "help" forums and I've never seen anyone hand out snark as a starting point to a Windows user asking for help. What actually happened quite a lot though is that the Windows user asked for help, got it, but didn't like the solution, claimed "Linux is shit, I'm going back to Windows" and when the forum users responded with "don't let the door hit you on the way out", they threw a hissy fit and claimed that the Linux community was/is toxic.

Bad faith, every time. Sometimes you could tell from the way the opening request was formed how it was going to end. Inevitable.

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Yeah, my point is that if you're driving a Ferrari, then Ford isn't the winning team. If you're dining at a Michelin star restaurant, you're not jealous of the McDonalds.

Being the majority is definitely a thing, a mentality that some enjoy. I doubt many "all in" Linux users share that mentality.

Honestly, I wouldn't care about more people using Linux AT ALL, except that there's a certain tipping point where life gets better for us due to those numbers. What other people do/use/consume is of no consequence to my mindset. I've avoided fashion, even, all my life. Music, art - I've always enjoyed niche. Always avoided the herd.

But if we can get 4 or 5% of the planet on Linux, then the platform becomes more compelling overall, which ought to bring certain benefits.

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Quoting: damarrinremain on the winning team

That's quite the choice of words. When everyone on a road drives a car, and I choose a motorbike, I don't think of the car drivers as the winning team.

Some things are better for them, perhaps. But I'm still not jealous of what they're doing. Indeed, I feel sorry for them, because the car metaphor breaks in a big way - car users get to see motorcyclists and think, "woah, sure there's disadvantages, but my god, look at it go, look at the way it cuts through traffic, look at the mpg, the running costs, look at how many different types of motorbike there are, how beautiful and varied the choice is". And at least car drivers get to decide if a motorbike is for them.

Windows users don't generally get that opportunity. Most have absolutely no idea what Linux looks like, or what it can (or can't) do. It's a shame. It would nice to give Linux a proper spotlight. This was an opportunity, and instead all anyone's talking about is an absolutely freakish Pop failure which Linus absolutely used to make a point.

One way the metaphor does work though - if a car driver jumps on a motorbike, good chance they'll really, really hurt themselves. Because, and it's obvious, and yet often overlooked for some reason: THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. If you do Linux in the "Windows Way", you're gonna visit nvidia.com, download the driver, follow the baffling instructions and then wonder why your PC is broken.

The whole experience was frustrating because it's clear that several decisions were made poorly, with no attempt at research. Maybe that's a reflection on the world at large, but I think most people who are curious about Linux are better than that. And if they're not, I have no time for them anyway.

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Quoting: phrogpilot73Had he updated Pop first - he would have likely had no problems.

Sadly not the case here. They admitted that a weird 32-bit library issue was inadvertently linked to the "default desktop" package which caused the issue. It would likely have been fixed within a day regardless of Linus stumbling into the issue, but the timing was just incredible and it tripped them up in this case.

My only frustration in Linus' approach here was the irony that he'd have had better luck sticking to the "Windows Way" and just downloading Steam from the SteamPowered website. But one of the core messages for new users of Linux is often "don't do that". Certainly true of drivers at least.

The whole thing is frustrating, tbh. Even if lessons were learned for PopOS, the sad fact is that Linus' viewers have already drawn their conclusions about Linux based on his experience. That video will live forever as a spectacular failure of Linux to engage with a "normal" person. Normal is in quotes there, of course, because a) There wasn't much normality about Linus' set up, and b) Linus is an entertainingly stubborn, impatient and highly critical person. Anyone trying Linux in good faith and with reasonable expectation would have a better experience.

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Quoting: kalinI tried popos and it was the same garbage as ubuntu. After some update the system got broken. From my experience manjaro is far better choice then anything Debian based. Turd is a turd no matter how much chocolate topping you put on

This kind of comment is unhelpful and, frankly, deluded. I've said it before - it's insanely frustrating to see such a small niche shitting on another niche just to get one over on the other 'side'. Grow up.

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Quoting: zegenie

Quoting: scaineI do love a deck builder, but I'm not a huge fan of online play sadly. For now, I think I'll be sticking with Roguebook runs and dipping into Dominion with my mates if I need a bit of online play (indeed, this is giving me some Dominion vibes).

Looks great though. However, MtG kind of exhausted me on these games.

Disclaimer, Dragon Evo dev here. Really glad to get coverage like this, it means so much to us and getting exposure.

One of the most important things to us is providing a great single player experience in addition to the pvp elements. While it's an online game with no offline component, we do provide a huge and (in our own not so humble opinion) engaging single player story, standalone adventures and lots of ways to engage with the game without having to play pvp - if that's what you prefer.

We're gamers ourselves and try to avoid some of the pitfalls and annoyances of modern IA-based gaming, so that's certainly an aspect we're very conscious of.

Anyways, thanks for commenting 👍

Well then! I had no idea! Can't hurt to give this a shot - thanks for clarifying. It does look very deep, some really satisfying looking strategy in there. If there's a single-player campaign, I'd love to give that a shot. Not sure how you monetise that experience, of course, but I'll check it out for sure.

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Quoting: soulsourceI just remember that I was annoyed enough to replace Ubuntu by Debian due to this, and to never look back...

You say that, but isn't that a Gentoo logo next to your avatar?? :grin:

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I do love a deck builder, but I'm not a huge fan of online play sadly. For now, I think I'll be sticking with Roguebook runs and dipping into Dominion with my mates if I need a bit of online play (indeed, this is giving me some Dominion vibes).

Looks great though. However, MtG kind of exhausted me on these games.

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