Quoting: Eike

Quoting: scaineYour link isn't to a single comment - you can do that from the toolbar in the comment itself (one to the left of the "quote" button). You linked to a page of comments.

The link is to an actual comment, the one starting with "Well...<snip>

Huh, well that doesn't work for me. Kneekoo's link is:

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/you-can-now-easily-run-the-epic-store-on-linux-with-lutris-epic-suggests-applying-for-a-grant.13964/page=2#r152746

But when I click on the "get link" button I get:
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/you-can-now-easily-run-the-epic-store-on-linux-with-lutris-epic-suggests-applying-for-a-grant.13964/comment_id=152785

So, the reference is different, and the style is different.

And when I click on Kneekoo's link, I get taken to the top of the article, at page 2 of the comments.

No idea what's happening there.

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Quoting: kneekoo

Quoting: scaineNo one is "shaming" Epic for not releasing the client on Linux. Where are you getting that from?

I put a link on shaming, to the forum post that got a lot of likes.

Your link isn't to a single comment - you can do that from the toolbar in the comment itself (one to the left of the "quote" button). You linked to a page of comments.

Regardless, I didn't see anything that qualified as shaming.

Honestly, I disagree with pretty much almost everything you've written on this topic. That happens, and it's a shame when we can't see eye to eye, or influence each other in any way, but there it is.

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I couldn't care less about Fortnight tbh, but I'm quite keen to play Vermintide II which is in the same boat. There are probably a handle of other games I'd play if EAC was no longer an issue.

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Quoting: StenPettJust tested this, and ran Subnautica flawlessly on Manjaro. Downloading a few other games as I type this, including that thing that's all the rage, despite me not really liking the whole "Battle Royale" genre...

Sadly, EAC (Easy Anti-Cheat) will scupper you there, I think. Apparently Epic (who own EAC) are working with Valve's DXVK developer to see if there's a solution.

The other big anti-cheat, Battle-Eye, have already said "it can't be done", which rules out any hope for Arma 3, now that Virtual Programming have been dropped as their experimental Linux porting house.

[edit: I wrote "haven't already said", instead of "have already said"... eejit]

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Quoting: kneekoo

Quoting: CybolicI don't see anyone's bashing Epic for "a" business decision or is targeting their lack of Linux support, but looking at the company's practices in general, there's certainly enough to criticize - just like a large part of the general, non-Linux gaming community is already doing.

There's shaming (22 likes so far) for the client not being released for Linux. And there's also negativity around EPIC's invitation to Lutris for financial support - which I assumed, in the context of the news, that it wouldn't be interpreted as any other kind of support.

No one is "shaming" Epic for not releasing the client on Linux. Where are you getting that from?

But I'd happily shame them for their exclusives. Or for throwing peanuts at the Lutris devs for doing their "Linux support" for them. I sincerely hope that the Lutris grant is to the tune of the $2M they threw at the Phoenix Point devs... but I doubt it.

They deserve a bit of shame in my opinion. But you're doing your best to defend them, which is odd, because you keep claiming to understand that they're bad.

There's other pieces in your latest mega-reply I disagree with, but I'm tired, and this discussion has run its course, I think. I do my honest best not to reply if it continues!

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This'll be an insta-buy for me once it's out of EA. Love the look of it and I get the feeling that it might work on my Intel-graphics laptop (fingers crossed).

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Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoNow, the important: Can I play METRO EXODUS "Out of the box" on Linux via Lutris?

Pretty sure it's gold rated, so if you don't mind being counted as a Windows sale and you don't mind Epic reaping your details, I think the answer is probably "yes".

But actually, checking the reports out, it seems that the answer is actually "no": https://www.protondb.com/app/412020 [External Link]

I wonder what Proton has done differently from Lutris in this case?

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Quoting: orochi_kyo

Quoting: liamdaweHonestly, I think it's crazy how many people turn their noses up at Wine. I've said it before and I will say it again, without Wine letting me play some games on Linux in the early days I simply wouldn't be here today.

I now take what I can, where I can. If I can get a game working on Linux, officially or not and have fun with it that's what matters most. The majority really don't care about the little details, they just want things to work.

Im a Wine user too, but the way you present it is the source of all the problems in the world.

Exaggeration much? But Wine is commonly maligned by hard core Linux users and Liam's comment simply acknowledges that elitism, while rejecting it.

Quoting: orochi_kyoAnd the fact your comment got 36 likes, well, I dont know what Im doing here. The reason I get from people who uses Windows is the same you are using, they want things to work. As a Linux users we should be straight with the fact we always have to do the extra mile. So you only wants things to work? Why the ... are you using Linux?

It's a news article that announces new functionality AND suggests that Lutris might be about to get a huge cash injection from Epic... what's not to like??

As for wanting things to work - Liam's comment suggested that the majority just want things to work. It describes me, to be honest, but only the in context that I've made my mind up about Microsoft and Apple. That leaves me with Linux. That's why I use Linux. Having made that decision... yes, I "just want things to work".

As I said earlier, though, I won't be touching anything to do with Epic. I'm not supporting bought exclusives, and anything
a Linux user does decide to buy on their half-assed store will count as a Windows sale. It's shitty for the consumer, it's shitty for Linux and I'm having nothing to do with it.

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This looks lovely, particularly since I can hide the ranking system. Reminds me, weirdly, of N+, but it's a puzzler. I suppose the price will be crucial. Not sure exactly what price point would put me off buying such a simple looking game... I paid £5 for TIS-100 without batting an eyelid though. Maybe a bit more, around the Bridge Constructor Portal £7.50 mark?

Anyway, wishlisted. It's only 3 weeks away.

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So, developer Lars Doucet did an interesting twitter thread on Epic's money recently. Have a read here [External Link].

Based on that thread, it's absolutely mind-boggling to think that it's anything other than absolutely trivial for this company to support our platform. But instead, they'd rather throw a rounding error at Lutris devs to absolve all support burden and keep us at arm's length, while they continue to throw anywhere between $5M-$50M at AAA devs to go exclusive on their store.

Pretty depressing. So, well done Lutris devs. I hope they go for and get the grant. But no thanks, not for me. Not touching anything to do with these anti-consumer... people. And Tim Sweeney... urgh. The hypocrisy just gets my goat.

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