Quoting: boltronicsI wasn't looking for a debate. You're hassling. It seems you don't even recognize that you're doing it.

We're done here.

Well, I thought I was engaging, not hassling, personally. However, to be clear, my sincerest apologies - it wasn't my intention to get on your case. It seems I've overreacted to your comments to Liam.

As I said, we're all humans typing these comments and a lot is lost in the written word. Sorry again.

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Quoting: Ardje

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: ArdjeFCE for instance is at 1250 hours

Suspect the answer might be obvious but... what's FCE?

Fortresscraft evolved or http://store.steampowered.com/app/254200 [External Link] on steam. I love openworld and I love building. Fortresscraft really suits both. At first it might seem a bit blocky, but once you get the hang of it... It's advanced automation and still 3D first-person. And the maker (single guy) is always live streaming his work and his 2 cats.
My most played games are probably mad-max, ark: survival, SR 3, planet explorer and this beauty. And sometimes TIS-100.

The depth of FCE (thanks!) actually ended up putting me off! I sank in about 20 hours or so, experimenting with various maps and methods. The fact that the combustion engines don't work below a certain point was really infuriating, the cold caverns killed me too quickly, finding Lithium took, literally, hours. So it's a bit of a learning curve.

After getting to know it a bit better, doing proper research for suit heaters and so on, fighting off a few waves successfully, building the giant spider robot, having working lines for coal, iron, bronze, tin, lithium, gold... I thought I was doing okay. I was chuffed. Then I looked at some videos online and realised that I was only about 1% into the game (if that!). The complexity and depth is absolutely astonishing, but I just don't have that kind of time to kill. In the end, I had to draw a line under it and move on. Amazing game though.

I might give Factorio a go when it launches, but from the sounds of it, it's the same game, but in 2D...

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Quoting: ArdjeFCE for instance is at 1250 hours

Suspect the answer might be obvious but... what's FCE?

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Quoting: scaineNot sure why you feel the need to hassle me for this.

You insinuated a lack of respect I didn't agree with. That's not me "hassling" you any more than you were "hassling" Liam in the first place.

Quoting: boltronicsAs two of the people who run the site

Liam owns the site and I support him via Patreon and contribute the odd article, as indeed anyone can. To be clear, if I step out of line, I'll be banned as quickly as anyone else.

As for being "professional", I personally value the discussion that this site provokes and, unlike Steam, or Reddit, that discussion is usually based on respect, with perhaps a few heated exceptions! If you occasionally don't like the tone of a comment, that's not unprofessional, that's opinion, that's real life. Call it out, by all means, if you find it offensive, but it's easy to lose tone and nuance in a comment, easy to assume insult when none was intended. In the three or four years I've dealt with Liam, I've never found him to be the person you're suggesting he is; someone who laughs at other people for kicks.

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Quoting: boltronicsYou call it a joke, and then go on to explain how it's not a joke. So which is it? Maybe you just call it a joke because you enjoy laughing at people?

Really...? Are you seriously comparing poking a bit of fun at us all to a complete lack of respect on Liam's part? Is there no part of you that can accept that a zero byte download in your Steam queue is a /r/firstworldproblem and getting worked up about it is a bit silly?

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Quoting: boltronics

Quoting: liamdaweI get plenty of games that do a similar thing

Really? Not that I've heard of or seen. Which ones?

I get this occasionally too - couldn't even tell you what games, I just ignore it. I had two such zero-byte downloads on Sunday just gone, with two "real" updates. It happens occasionally.

As Liam notes, it's odd how worked up folk get over such a things.

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Quoting: dubigrasuEqually surprised and disappointed that Valley isn't anywhere among the winners.
Probably for most people the game went well bellow the radar, although it was mentioned here few times.
Do yourself a favor and try it, is been a while since I was so surprised by a game.

Valley was superb. I'm pretty sure I added it an entrant, but given the competition, it maybe just didn't stand out in any one particular area strongly enough to make the listings? It's a shame, because as a whole, it's a fantastic game. I'll be replaying it in the near future - especially now that the latest patch lets you skip the cut-scenes.

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Quoting: SolitaryI would also add a point when a game has Linux port as a stretch goal. They are basically making people risk pledging to reach the stretch goal. That means if you pledge too soon and the project won't reach the stretch goal you just pledged on a non-linux game. For example System Shock Remake did that, even though they eventually shown Linux demo, making ports as stretch goals does feel shady, because it's afterthought and bonus and those get cut first if problems happen.

Stay clear of stretch goals, definitely. They would be great if and only if you could pledge based on the stretch. So I pledge my £25, but we don't meet the stretch, but that's okay, my money isn't used.

This would also make platform-specific stretch goals much more sensible from the "other" side's point of view, that everyone pledging to a project after the initial goal is reached is now pledging to the stretch goal, whether they want it to or not - how many "Linux as a stretch goal" targets were met by Windows gamers, none of which cared about Linux, pledging to the project simply because they wanted in?

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Quoting: winate

Myself and Jon had a bit of a falling out a while back over something trivial, so he still has our @gamingonlinux account blocked on Twitter.

That's completely reasonable. Jonathan Blow is up there with Gary Newman in terms of being a total ass, especially in regards to Linux.

That's pretty harsh. Blow often speaks negatively about Linux, but I've rarely if ever heard him be insultingly disrespectful. Newman on the other hand is a proper muppet, who appears to enjoy trolling.

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We might be small, but there's a reason that so many indies support Linux - 1% of 14M active users is still a bloody huge number. It might not make sense for the Ubisoft's and EA's of this world, but for an indie, opening the door to a market of an additional 10k+ gamers, many of whom will rate you higher because there's no EA or Ubisoft... that's usually good sense.

Blow's comment about Linux gamers not buying his products is bizarre and annoying, considering his one title, Braid, was not only part of a Humble Indie Bundle (the first?) which had a huge number of Linux gamers participating, but it also pre-dates Steam on Linux, so he'd hardly be in a position to say "Linux users don't buy our games".

I can honestly say I've spent more (waaaay more) on games since moving to Linux and solely buying Linux games than I did as a Windows gamer. I hunted for bargains as a Windows gamer, but commonly pay full price as a Linux gamer - Deus Ex, Stellaris, Tomb Raider and many others. I've had bargains of course, but I don't hunt them down anymore.

Loved Braid though and despite his dramatics about the state of Linux, I'd still support him if he ever changes his mind.

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