Quoting: EagleDelta

Quoting: CyrilTL;DR: so it's much of an Ubuntu problem than anything else...

No, this is an issue with any LTS-style non-rolling release distros. RHEL/CentOS/Rocky Linux style distros are even worse. In most of my jobs over the last 5-7 years, the system packages are only used now to run the system itself. Everything else we need to run these days is largely built in Go or Rust so we can just deploy a binary OR (more often) it's run in Docker/Kubernetes or a platform like Heroku where we don't have to deal with the fact that distros simply don't keep things up to date enough for the features that we need many times. Things like unable to use libraries that solve performance or security issues simply aren't available on the backported versions of Ruby, Perl, even Python sometimes.

EDIT: I just realized I wasn't clear in what I am saying here. I don't necessarily think that every distro should be rolling release. My point is that system packages are best for running the system, but not always for running applications these days. While I can use whatever Tmux is in the repos for example, I cannot use whatever version of Neovim is provided as my config requires at least version 0.10.0 which I don't believe is in any repos yet. And as for games, if they are primarily multiplayer, like Xonotic, than Flatpak is the best as you can't play with other players that aren't on the same version as you.... hence the limits of mostly static system packages.

Perhaps EagleDelta is talking more about the server/CLI space and Purple Library Guy about GUI apps distributed by a non-rolling distro?

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Quoting: PublicNuisance

Quoting: soulsourceWithout knowing anything about the game:
Let me guess, Unreal Engine?

Unity from what I could find.

This is correct. I personally recommend PCGamingWiki [External Link] for this information. And AugmentedSteam extension for Firefox to get a sidebar link on Steam Store pages (not in the Steam app though).

Quoting: const

Quoting: PublicNuisance

Quoting: soulsourceWithout knowing anything about the game:
Let me guess, Unreal Engine?

Unity from what I could find.

Then, sorry, but I can understand them. Supporting Unity linux builds is a nightmare to no gain.
However, they could still provide an old Linux build as beta for those who are stubborn about "native" builds.

I like the idea of having it as a Steam Beta. But I fear from the developers perspective that is again little gain and the risk of extra maintenance - extra issue reporting burden (or tolerating complaints from entitled players) from users of an unsupported build. I guess Rocket League is an example of a game where the old Linux version was left available though - so at least sometimes it isn't that foreign of an idea.

Quoting: KandarihuWell, I'm mad about this. I bought this based on there being native support. They took that away. Also, there are plenty of people who have horrid performance on Proton, no matter which version they try. I, for one, don't even want to try. If they've been having problems with maintaining the Linux version under Unity, they obviously need help. But dropping it altogether without warning just isn't honest.

Getting help is more complicated and more costly for them, I'd guess, than switching to maintaining the Proton compatibility instead. But yeah, poor communication on their part.

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Quoting: _wojtek

Quoting: chrI think suggestions that include non-automated work (a paid human doing something) are nearly always a no-go for a company if they understand economics. There can be edge cases where it provides great value to customers or customers specifically pay for that extra process. But otherwise - yeah, they would more than hesitate when such a suggestion comes up.

Yeah, that's true... Though maybe relying on government ID (but those hardly provide "family ties" info :( )

I did the automated government ID thing in Japan recently for dating apps (mandated by law) and it was a realllllly poor experience from big companies in a big market. So, not cheap or not good - at least for now.

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Quoting: _wojtek

Quoting: Liam DaweI get that for how some people live, in that way it's a downgrade. But, I don't really believe a family sharing system is meant at all for different countries. That, really, feels like a bit of a stretch for Valve getting developers on board to allow games to be shared like this at all.

Different households in the same country though, that I feel they could (and should) relax on a bit. Like for me as a co-parent, the kiddo is between two houses in two completely different cities.

This... I get that automatic determination what household is based on wifi/ip/gps/whetever is easier but I wouldn't mind providing legal country official document that we are family and Valve would tick off in their system that we are without doing restrictive stuff...

I'm moving quite a lot (often for months) abroad and share my library with my nephew (we all live together) and now it just works fine (and I don't play that much so current restrictions don't affect me that much) and with new system I feel it won't work... bollocks!

I think suggestions that include non-automated work (a paid human doing something) are nearly always a no-go for a company if they understand economics. There can be edge cases where it provides great value to customers or customers specifically pay for that extra process. But otherwise - yeah, they would more than hesitate when such a suggestion comes up.

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Quoting: Belaptir

Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: BelaptirIt's crap.

They restricted it so much that you must be in the same household (aka under the same roof) to invite someone. People reporting everywhere that not even if they live in the same building but different apartments works. You need to be under the same roof and, apparently, show activity that proves it.

We thought it was a downgrade because we couldn't invite people from the same region but a different country, but this is even worse.

That makes sense. Family sharing is supposed to be used for, well ,family sharing, which typically means people living under the same roof. It's not meant for sharing with your friends in a completely different residence.

Typically? My sister lives in a different house, she's not family then? What about people who move to a different country leaving parents or siblings behind? Are they not family?
What if my sister lives in my same building but we don't live in the same apartment? Are we not family?
The restriction of the year cooldown and the risk of being banned by what other family members do with your games should be more than enough to control these issues.

I suspect perhaps a better label for what Valve is going for would be "Household Sharing" rather than "Family Sharing". It's just that the latter is a much more common (and marketable?) term, even if the former might be more accurate.

But yeah - I understand it sucks either way to lose something you had been counting on (and possibly basing some previous decisions on). In the EU even country-based limits to "Family" Sharing would be restrictive for many families and even some households (frequently commuting; not co-habiting but co-parenting).

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Quoting: Tuxee

Quoting: chrI'm still having a rare sunlight glare issue on my AMD setup. Though something similar-sounding was mentioned a couple of patches ago, so I suspect they fixed that on the newest Mesa, and I should finally stop procrastinating and update my old system. :whistle:

The issue basically removes color and ups the whites on the game view, making distinguishing objects much harder. I haven't bothered doing anything because appears only roughly in 1/20 of the matches and lasts a minute in the absolute worst case.

It doesn't. I am on Mesa 24.2.2 and the issue - while becoming way less frequent - still exists. It's more like "brief flashes" every now and then, though very rarely it kinda "sticks".

Thank you for that insight! For the record I'm apparently on Mesa 23.2.1.

For others curious, hopefully this linked image [External Link] displays it.

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Quoting: PenglingI'll be sticking with Minetest [External Link], myself, but now I'm wondering if Mojang will ever address the many failings of Minecraft Education Edition [External Link]?

I have very high standards for the Youtube content I watch and just so I don't get recommendations for content I don't like, I often open stuff in private browsing. But I must say that I really enjoyed what you linked! Seemed like real good stuff. Will check out more videos from the channel. Thanks! ☺️

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I'm still having a rare sunlight glare issue on my AMD setup. Though something similar-sounding was mentioned a couple of patches ago, so I suspect they fixed that on the newest Mesa, and I should finally stop procrastinating and update my old system. :whistle:

The issue basically removes color and ups the whites on the game view, making distinguishing objects much harder. I haven't bothered doing anything because appears only roughly in 1/20 of the matches and lasts a minute in the absolute worst case.

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Quoting: MicromegasAs a customer I don't know who is responsible for this breach of trust. The only thing I know is: I won't buy ANY games anymore from Itch.io. I'm serious. Itch.io is dead for me from this moment onwards.

I think Itch.io doesn't get much of a say in this. Distributing a specific game can become illegal if some licenses expire (most commonly for music or car brand likeness used in the game), therefore Itch.io requires a method for the game uploader to remove the game from the platform. And it makes sense that the uploader is responsible for doing it rather than Itch.io themselves trying to keep track of the licenses in the many many games uploaded. If a publisher uses this system for something like retroactive platform exclusivity, Itch.io can't easily filter that out and limit it.

Itch.io also isn't important enough in the gaming space to leverage significant political power and be able to pressure the uploader to follow Itch.io views (even if they aligned perfectly with your views) on game conservation or customer expectations.

So personally, I wouldn't blame Itch.io really. But I do understand how this can be very unpleasant.

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Quoting: Cybolic

Quoting: Matombo

Quoting: CybolicIf you're in the EU, you should be able to get a refund for that Windows tax, if they don't directly offer it without an OS.

no, if you complain they will most likely just offer to take the whole device back

Quoting: PenglingI almost attempted that some years ago, but the hoops that you had to jump through to even be considered for a refund were so cumbersome that I didn't bother in the end*. I don't imagine that it's any better now, unfortunately, and it just shouldn't be that way. :neutral:

*This was an extreeeeeeeemely long time ago so pardon my slightly fuzzy memory, but I seem to recall that, at a minimum, you had to provide photographic proof of the entire process of declining to use Windows and installing something else, as well as proof of purchase and all of the personal details that you'd reasonably expect would be needed to process a refund; I recall that it felt like a hell of a lot to have to give to a company who forced their software onto the product I wanted in the first place. I figured it was one of those cases where they legally have to offer it, but they make it such a pain that most folks won't go for it. Knowing my luck, they probably would've said that it wasn't proof enough, anyway. :tongue:

I'm sad to hear that it's gotten like this! Last I did it was about a decade ago, but it really was no more than telling the store that I refused to accept the terms that Windows required me to accept and that I wanted the price of the Windows license removed from the total price. I think I might have had to give them one reminder that they were legally required to give me a refund, but I certainly didn't have to repeat it or provide any proof (which I also couldn't have done, as I was telling them this in the store as I was purchasing the machine).

So sounds like it depends on the store 🤷‍♀️

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