Quoting: wvstolzing

Quoting: NanobangHeadline:
Famed Computer Scientist Richard Stallman Described Epstein Victims As 'Entirely Willing'

What Stallman actually wrote:

Quoting: StallmanWe can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing.

Assuming she was being coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her to conceal that from most of his associates.

Exactly this discrepancy has been bothering me since yesterday -- on THIS SPECIFIC POINT there does indeed seem to be a mischaracterization.

I agree... mostly. For some reason the word "mischaracterization" conjures up images of intent (or can do for some people). So I would add my assumption that the misinterpretation of Stallman's intent there is almost certainly accidental. I admit to having made the mistake of misreading that sentence (multiple times, no less!) myself:

actual:

...that she presented herself to him as entirely willing.

actual meaning clarified:

...that she pretended to be consenting.

I read:

...that she presented herself to him entirely willingly.

I read meaning clarified:

...that she was 100% super consenting to this.

I read implied:

...people in sexual slavery can and do consent.

BAM - reason to be pissed that another person with significant power can say whatever-the-fuck-they-please about people going through suffering. How can they get away with shit like this? Why is no-one doing anything about this?"

Now imagine someone read this who has in general suffered a bit in the male-dominated ignorant world. Easy mistake to make, no? That said, it is sad that this outcome happened as a result of this seems-to-me-like-a-mistake-in-multiple-parts. Of course RMS could also have worded that bit much more clearly (takeaway lesson here). I haven't spent the necessary hours to get the full context here whether RMS is entirely innocent of socially horrible behavior or not and what should therefore ideally have happened and not have happened. But more trust (maybe sometimes?) and more empathy and more calming down and being friendly is what we all need.

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Quoting: namikoBeing "canceled" means being too offensive to work with, associate with or even to be spoken positively about at the worst.

Are some things so offensive as to make it necessary to remove someone from the public sphere, sometimes permanently? (banning, firing, refusing to associate with, maybe even being fined or arrested depending on where you live, etc.)

I don't know where the boundary on offense should be because I can't predict the future, times change, laws and policies also change in a waxing and waning of liberal to conservative and back again (in a general sense, no political parties implied). If this kind of de-personing is going to be the default, we're isolating a lot of people. There's a dark path to be gone down when we start thinking people are permanently irredeemable, even if they sincerely apologize. Or even if they are accepted again, can we say they're sincerely accepted, or is there a permanent, invisible "scarlet letter [External Link]" of sorts that will hang over their heads indefinitely?

It feels good to be a part of a group that's "better" than the "bad" one(s), it's a rush that's probably chemically addictive. That's why I can't see "cancel culture" stopping anytime soon, it just feels too good to be more "right" than the person or group being accused.

If there's no road to forgiveness, can any of us honestly say that we're above reproach when it comes to our words or actions? Whether or not we think what Stallman's done or said is acceptable doesn't matter, it matters because we'd want a chance at forgiveness if we were in his shoes.

I think you have some great points. But at the same time I think this is a small piece of a very large unsolved puzzle.

I definitely think "canceling", as you defined it, is a social evil. Even if cancelled people would hypothetically all be "evil", for one, shunning them from society wouldn't make them disappear - they would still be causing problems the rest of us - thus not being a sustainable solution. Analogy should be made here to our prison systems. Reintegration is the answer ofc.

But on the other hand whose responsibility is it to educate and reform people that perform actions worthy of social condemnation? People who (usually unintentionally) invalidate or terrorize the existence of others? I think nobody wants to deal with that.
To give a (possibly insensitive) example: black people are often probably tired of educating people who are ignorant of some past atrocities and make some highly insensitive comments due to that. So black people try to ignore it and only when it becomes unbearably hideous do they speak out.

The phenomena of feeling superior due to being more right that you mentioned, might motivate some people, but in my speculation and in my experience that is very rare. Any "social justice warriors" or people demanding for "political correctness" are usually motivated by their internal sense of morality being highly alarmed by what is going on. I'm willing to believe that there are some who just like to shit on other for being in the wrong. And I'm willing to believe that there are many different motivations for behavior that can be put into the aforementioned groups, but in my admittedly limited experience I have not encountered insincere behavior thus far. But I'm 100% certain that exists.

I do really care a lot for reintegration of people who have made poor decisions and for social unity as a whole. But I think we shouldn't ignore the fact that despite this being almost always a sincere concern, there are also those who are just hiding their intentionally malign anti-societal behavior behind pretending to be a victim of some global mass movement of silencing and censorship. I do get it that some people sincerely feel this way.

All of this liberal-conservative conflict is a big mess of not enough communication and everyone being afraid of something and it being in no-one's direct interest to educate the other side about your fears and worries. And who would even want to do that with the lack of trust - maybe sharing my fears will be used against me by those evil evil internet trolls who get kicks out of harming others?

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Quoting: GuestWell, for example, Stephen Hawkins used to make hilariously stupid political public comments from time to time. At the beginning, there were even people trying to interpret the deep meaning of the Master's words.

Then, mostly nobody cared. I still read his Brief History of Time with pleasure and as far as i know nobody refuses to work with Cambridge or on black hole evaporation.

Some correspondence between Einstein and Freud can also make you laugh or raise your hair, depending on your temperament.

Times change.

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: amataiP.S: I don't think the comment shall have been opened on this one, we'll see

Yeah, thought so, too.

Thus far it seems rather civilized for such a topic.

Quoting: PatolaAnother victim of cancel culture...

I'm getting the impression that this is another troll-meme-right-wing term. Being intentionally obtuse, having a nice-looking shallow facade, hiding behind it the worst sides of humanity. Sorry if I'm entirely wrong and this is truly a neutral, unloaded, clear, unpoliticized term.

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Quoting: 14So, is the stop-motion synthetic as in just choppy animation, or was every model positioned by hand and digitized? Like, is this really stop-motion, or does it just appeal to the Gumby in our hearts with smoke and mirrors?

Their Twitter puts a lot of effort into leaving the impression that at least some of it is really hand-made:
https://twitter.com/MichaelRfdshir/status/1022112776205021184 [External Link]
https://twitter.com/MichaelRfdshir/status/1022789903900450816 [External Link]
https://twitter.com/MichaelRfdshir/status/1023024103744266240 [External Link]
https://twitter.com/MichaelRfdshir/status/1023535180710068225 [External Link]
https://twitter.com/MichaelRfdshir/status/1023940325734264832 [External Link]

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So it turns out this person has three claymation games in the works.
Ultra Strangeness
Wurroom [External Link]
Protein Motel [External Link]
Based on their (rfdshir) comment in the comments section of the last link.

Good times for you, Liam. Not so much for your wallet, perhaps. :)

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Now that's something different! I've always found the topic of language-independent games intriguing.

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Sounds great. Local coop is my favorite. And it is best if it is accessible.

Though I personally hope there is as little trivia games as possible, because something as complex as that is always unavoidably going to be author-culture-centric. In this case USA-centric. And the gods know we have too much USA-centric media these days.

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Yay! I have JBPP 1-3. Great fun some of those.

Im glad to hear that theres quite many 8 player games this time (even higher limit would be better, but what you gonna do). Official Linux support is a great excuse to give them the full price this time.

I hope the trivia games are less USA-centric this time. Quite often theres just a question nobody in the room has heard about. And personally id be a lot happier having less USA-specific knowledge. My sincere hope and compassion for people living there, but it is a horrible place in many regards.

EDIT: bought it despite some apparent USA-centrism.

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Hey Liam, you can update your Steam curator review to reflect this change as well. I see those reviews of yours there and a game being FLOSS would make me want to give them money. Although in this case im not sure if the right people would receive it and moreover if there would be any connection to the open-sourcing for them. Id like to be more clear in my expenditures.

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All of you people who have the credentials forgotten bug should try the workaround from here [External Link]. Worked for me and some other people.

Another thing that worked sometimes was to close Steam when prompted for login credentials and on second launch of Steam it auto-logged-in as it was supposed to.

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