Exactly. Runesoft appears to be seeing Linux as a more valuable market now, so they are putting more of the resources they already have into making their Linux selection better. While it would be nice to see newer games as well, I am just happy that Runesoft is now taking us more seriously, and giving us more of their already established catalogue that they have built up on other platforms.

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People should keep in mind that Runesoft are doing this to port more of their old catalogue to Linux, rather than just grabbing new tittles. Personally, I applaud them for it.

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I wonder what took so long when it came to getting the game out or private beta.

Regardless, it is still great to see Runesoft's titles popping up on Desura. :)

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Quoting: KameNot exactly, you can both use steamworks and still not have DRM. See: Dungeons of Dredmor.

There are versions of Dredmor that do not use Steamworks, yes. That does not mean you can use Steamworks and not have that version of the game tied to Steam.

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Take some advice jlibster - when you are in a hole, try and stop digging. ;)

As someone who has willingly opted out of using Steam, I am surprised to be the first one to mention that it is only games using Steamworks that are tied to the Steam client, which Project: Eternity has already confirmed to use with regards to its Steam version. So if you see a game with achievements support, steamplay, and other such miscellania, it is going to be tied to the Steam client. If it does not boast these features, the game itself is probably DRM free.

As for the whole platform war here, I must admit to Desura being my favourite for most of the reasons s_d described. No games depend on the client for anything other than potentially purchasing and the first download, but even that is rare thanks to the Purchased Downloads feature.

That being said, there are still a few problems I have with it - namely the fact that some games are being sold without proper labelling for their independent DRM (see Majesty) and the fact they willingly sell games that consist of nothing more than Steam keys, which just galls me. And I am not talking about merely having the Steam key as a side option with the main download as is the case with Postal 2, but having it as the only option, such as with Serious Sam 3 (although at least then it was clearly marked).

Gameolith suffers from that last one as well, although it seems more appropriate for them to be doing it somehow. Seems less like an assault on their own dignity.

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Out of curiosity, what is your native language?

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Quoting: SomberHillAll I know is I've been playing jedi knight jedi academy for the last 9 years, and if there is anything I can do to help know that it is my best interest in playing a steam copy of jedi knight academy for linux.

:huh:

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Kind of neat. I actually got a Prey/Penumbra vibe off some of it.

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Quoting: Philip550cKeep on doing it, I dont want to shut you up. I was just hoping that you can see that some of us have given up on the DRM free hope and have instead enjoyed playing the DRM games, I just dont see it as a big deal because at the end of the day its just games.

I fully recognize that, but I don't subscribe to that view, so the fact that others have come to that decision does not really affect my own thoughts on the matter that much. I recognize your reasons, I just don't buy them for myself.

Quoting: Philip550cI love reading the things you write about, Im not trying to step on your beliefs and I would probably enjoy you as neighbor or something, this wasnt meant to be a personal attack.

The problem here is that you were asserting I was trying to take your freedom's away, which can be seen as a fairly serious charge. Granted, I am alleging that to when it comes to DRM, but there is a difference between picking on an institution and alleging that against a person, at least in my mind. Still, thank you for clarifying.

Quoting: Philip550cI have seen developers on forums say that linux users are only interested in freedom and nothing else, so I am worried that I will never get the desktop OS that I dream about. I see that is your concern as well, just a different dream.

The thing you got to remember there is that if the developers really don't want to be here for whatever reason they are not going to stay or even treat us very well when they are here. Your own point about some of the developers involved in some the Humble Bundles not seeming all that interested in being properly cross-platform or DRM free already exemplifies that. I would much rather have developers releasing games for Linux because they want to rather than trying to cater to those who don't. That way these developers will release better Linux games, treat us better, and subsequently be treated better in return.

Quoting: Philip550cSorry to cause such an argument but as far as originality your stance is the main stance in the linux world, so I dont see how its original?

Well, we could argue which is the mainstream opinion until we are blue in the face, but as far as I can tell I seem to be standing from the much more marginalized position. And it was the phrasing of your arguments and not necessarily the arguments themselves that I found to be hackneyed, and too similar to a lot of the arguments I have heard against similar stances in the past (which is also part of the reason I took such an exception to them).

Quoting: Philip550cAlso I do family farming as well.

Okay, PM me and we can compare experiences. :)

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Quoting: muntdefemsOn the other hand, flocks of Linux users happily embracing Steam's DRM and thus forcing indie developers to get on that platform (often neglecting other ways of digital distribution) are totally harmless to us DRM-free lovers... :huh:

I guess Hamish would be as happy as I'd be if every Linux game were released both with DRM and DRM-free, effectively granting everyone their freedom to choose. But unfortunately this is not the case and the future doesn't bode well in that respect. :(

Yes, and that is another reason I love RWS - most of the technical updates to their Steam games are actually going to moved back into the Desura versions at some point, barring things that are specifically tied to Steamworks of course. Awesome people all round. :)

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