Quoting: GuestSo, this is essentially a Proton whitelist 2.0. The one that Valve have abandoned after a couple of Proton releases.

Yeah, sounds very convincing :grin: I would expect that thousands of games will stay with "Unknown" status forever. Maybe Valve will check the compat once in a while for the "hype game of the month" like Doom Eternal or Cyberpunk 2077.

A lot of games remain unrated, but the bottom line is that the developer can say that they want to be evaluated. Personally, I'm guessing that the games Valve chooses will have a lower priority than the games that ask for it.

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Quoting: Liam DaweValve made it pretty clear they are ultimately the ones who make the ratings.

This will going to take a while then, giving "how few games" they have on the store so there's a possibility that we only really see those ratings mostly from famous ones, unless Valve has some kind toolkit to at least partially automate the process.

As long as they don't stagnate as they did with their "white list", I actually prefer they to be responsible for the ratings.

There are several ways it can be queued for evaluation. Perhaps the most important thing is the developer can manually request a review. Valve will provide feedback, the developer can fix the problems and re-request an evaluation. Since games with verified status will get another place to show them, I assume that most will want to take advantage of it.

According to their FAQs, they expect the game to be evaluated within a few weeks of being queued up.

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I think they feel the money of future SteamDeck owners in the water :-)

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Quoting: HoolyI don't really mind the Intel CPU (Thunderbolt is nice) but we really need some Linux notebooks with dedicated AMD GPUs like the mobile RDNA2 series.

I hope some SteamDeck's Van Goghs with some faulty and deactivated cores find way into notebooks. Every production has scraps, and SteamDeck is really planned for massive production, so there might be enough of those failed chips.

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Spoiler, click me

Quoting: KuJoThanks for the video, Valve!

I have in fact reserved the 64GB eMMC model. With the plan to put a 1TB NVMe SSD in it... that will get me cheaper than the 512GB model and still have more space. :)

The Kioxia BG4 1024GB Internal M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD 2230 M.2 NVMe PCIe 3.0 x4 Bulk (KBG40ZNS1T02) is already available for around 180€.

Just hope that I can install SteamOS 3.0 from the MicroSD card ... because to install the SSD I have to remove the eMMC board plugged into the SSD slot. Otherwise, only a USB stick remains, but for which I then need a / the USB docking station (which is also already planned).

it has normal BIOS so you can boot it from USB and install on new SSD ez pz. IT'S a PC

I hope Valve says BIOS, but they mean Coreboot. :-)

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Quoting: whizse"ESD strap should make skin contact! Oops."

Still haven't ESD kill any device I believe in my whole life of electronic bga repairs. I think you need to spend 1hr charging up on carpet first! :)

Simply discharging by touching the grounded chassi of a computer before you start touching electric components is enough to keep it from happening unless your shuffling your woolen socks on gradma carpet while your doing it, in this case that isn't an option though (so discharge on a nearby doorknob and wait for until your fingers stop being numb ;) ).

But having said that it clear that the trained professional have never used a ESD strap before, also I suspect his gloves would form an ESD barrier all on their own so it's kind of redundant anyway.

LTT has video about this :-) It's hard to destroy something with static electricity, but I'd rather be paranoid than unlucky and really destroy it. [External Link]

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Quoting: BielFPsOn the contrary, popular games can separate a company from being a big profitable one to bankruptcy. Take Nintendo for example, a multi millionaire multinational company which holds in 3 specific franchises: Mario, Zelda and Pokemon. It doesn't matter if they have less games that other platforms, or if the competition have more capable performance, because people are willing to buy their products in order to play those popular ones. And if for some reason they launch an console without those games, then it would fail for sure.

But they have control over exclusivity. You want to play Mario kart? Buy Switch. There's zero chance valve would convince other developers on Linux exclusivity to make this work. They could only make their games so exclusive, but what have they released lately? Alyx? It is already trying to take this approach with VR. Exclusivity for both Linux and VR would kill it.

Quoting: BielFPsThey still could do it by sponsoring already consolidated games (like the ones in this article for example). If Linux was the only platform that steam supported, then Valve would need to do this (like consoles do for example). Since Valve profits from both systems they don't have any reason to heavily push one of them.

Well, they can achieve the same result with a proton. Moreover, it is possible that the approach of sponsoring development was what convinced Anticheat to support proton.

Quoting: BielFPsA whole lot, and this article is the illustration of it. When you're a big company selling something quantities of sales matter (sometimes over quality unfortunately), 1 game played by thousands matter more than 100 games played by 10 people, you may don't agree with it but it's the reality.

Almost everyone has an old game that they think they'll play sometimes even if they're not playing it at the moment.

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Quoting: ArtenYou've never done anything for any reason other than profit? Or are Valve shareholders of a different species than you? Maybe you'd be right if they were Ferengi.

Again, my point is some people (don't know if it's your case too) are thinking Valve is doing all of this in a "holy crusade of pushing Linux game for the greater good"

Let's pretend this was true, a very effective way would be for them to subsidize the development of Linux versions of the most popular games at the moment for example, but this wouldn't make them (Valve) profit more with sales than they already do with those games being windows only (again they profit in both cases)

Quoting: BeamboomSPEAK... With the ghosts?! 😮

It's a feature of the game :)

I don't know why they do what they do, and I don't really care. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. In fact, even if they're only doing it for profit, I don't have the slightest problem with it. I'm just saying, there's no way to rule out other options.

Sponsoring popular games would not be an effective use of resources, regardless of the reason. Porting the game takes some time and you do not know if it will be popular even at the time of completion of the port. Besides, how many people play just popular games? How many games are you willing to give up just to jump on another platform? For this, making Linux a popular gaming platform seems to be the best way.

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Quoting: Arten

Quoting: BielFPsYes that's why they can safely invest in a new concept like this one. Valve is in a unique position where they're consolidate as the top game store in the world and doesn't have shareholders to answer too, but this doesn't mean they don't want profit.

If for some reason investing on linux would result only in expenses they would never invest on it.

I didn't say they didn't want to profit from it. I wrote that we can't be sure why they're doing it, and I listed profit as one option.

You've never done anything for any reason other than profit? Or are Valve shareholders of a different species than you? Maybe you'd be right if they were Ferengi.

i certainly never wasted billion of dollars into something not expecting profits in return.

Do you have billion of dollars?

You think all the billionaires giving away their assets to charity are doing it for profit? Some of them do it for taxes, but part of it gives away so much that it doesn't make tax sense. They're doing it for something other than monetary gain. Some do it for a good feeling, someone else to be accepted back into the human race (Gates). Nobel, for example, created the Nobel Prize because he wanted to improve his reputation.

I keep saying valve can do it for profit (which I personally don't think is a bad thing), but they doesn't have to. They can count on losses to be acceptable or they can even guess that they might be profitable, but we don't have the information to say they're doing it for profit. Even that profit may end up being a side benefit of their efforts to do it for a different purpose.

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Quoting: BielFPsYes that's why they can safely invest in a new concept like this one. Valve is in a unique position where they're consolidate as the top game store in the world and doesn't have shareholders to answer too, but this doesn't mean they don't want profit.

If for some reason investing on linux would result only in expenses they would never invest on it.

I didn't say they didn't want to profit from it. I wrote that we can't be sure why they're doing it, and I listed profit as one option.

You've never done anything for any reason other than profit? Or are Valve shareholders of a different species than you? Maybe you'd be right if they were Ferengi.

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