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Quoting: Arten

Quoting: BielFPsDoes users need to do something to enable Futex2 benefits, besides installing Kernel >=5.16 and the latest version of proton?

You have manjaro. You alredy have it on your computer :-)

I don't think you can take that for granted with the way Manjaro handles kernel installations. That, and not everyone runs updates daily.

They have it long time now. Futex patches are for example also in 5.10 from oct 27. 2020. So in 5.10 is probably older version, but its there. So he has it in some form probably.

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Quoting: BielFPsDoes users need to do something to enable Futex2 benefits, besides installing Kernel >=5.16 and the latest version of proton?

You have manjaro. You alredy have it on your computer :-)
here is for example 5.15 on gitlab with patches which they apply. 0103-futex.patch file its there :-)
https://gitlab.manjaro.org/packages/core/linux515 [External Link]

I searched for it when i runned steam under terminal and it displayed game/proton using it :-)

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Quoting: MayeulC

Quoting: HoolyI think so too, they are probably using an A/B-model, which means that you have two installations of the OS at every time
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Or they use btrfs-subvolumes and allocate storage dynamically.

Not exactly, they run on ostree, like Fedora Silverblue. It's a bit like a git repo, or guix/nix. It has deduplication, rollback, versioning, atomic updates. That's really promising tech, I'd have picked the same.

Let's try to come up with a basic estimate

• Base Arch Install: 100 MiB


• LLVM plus mesa: 300 MiB


• Web browser: 200 MiB


• Steam: 300 MiB


• Proton: 600 MiB


• KDE Plasma plus base KDE applications: 2 GiB


• Base Flatpak runtimes (freedesktop.org, VAAPI, mesa): 700 MiB

Total: 4.2 GiB. I'm falling short, but there could be more pre-installed software like Discord, plus probably a boot partition (might be a btrfs subvolume, not sure which FS they use), and possibly a "system restore" partition that might double the size, although I would personally make that a webinstall at about 150MiB.

Any other ideas?

Where did you get a base install size of 100MiB? Granted, I am on Ubuntu but

• the minimal kernel alone (no modules) requires 110MB of disc space. Add some kernel modules, firmware, basic libraries and GNU tools...


• Browser? Which one? Firefox comes in at around 250MiB, Chromium is considerably larger.


• Steam? Runtime and libs - we are getting into GiBs without any Proton version (bin32 - 800+MiB, bin64 - 300MiB,...)


• Mesa? The 64bit libgl1-mesa-dri reports 456MB, the i386 version 439MB plus Vulkan drivers. llvm clocks in at 100MiB per architecture.

That's Ubuntu, but I seriously doubt that Arch can do with a mere fraction of these binary sizes.

They know device, so they can use more aggressive approach for steam deck images.
Can be mesa compiled only with limited GPUs support? Lot of code is common, but they know GPU which they want support, so they don't need support for older architectures then RDNA 2.
Other point is, do they need LLVM, or they just can use ACO for everything which is needed to do on device?

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: Arten

Windows 11 needs 64GB

Its minimal requirement, not real usage. Clean w11 has 21.1 GB [External Link].

But truth is, windows don't have preinstalled steam...

Just like Windows 10, it will eat storage for breakfast for updates, that's the realistic number given by MSFT to ensure it runs properly.

Still i dont think they count whole 64GB just for windows.

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Windows 11 needs 64GB

Its minimal requirement, not real usage. Clean w11 has 21.1 GB [External Link].

But truth is, windows don't have preinstalled steam...

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There is possibility that their tested it, but on experimental SteamOS 3.0, where everything worked...

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Quoting: GuestSeems to me like it is exceedingly difficult for any PC game store to be profitable unless they sell Steam keys (or they are a big publisher profitable in other areas), such is the nature of Valve's stranglehold on PC gaming. I know so many linux users don't like a bad word said about Valve but their market power should concern everyone

I think the root cause in this case is more on the side of Epic. Their aggressive war against Steam, in my opinion, hit GOG hard. Until then, GOG was the main competitor for Steam and was slowly building positions. Then came Epic, it got low prices, and publishers jumped on it because it didn't have that "annoying" DRM-free policy. And on top of that, Epic bribed them to exclusivity.

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Quoting: PoliticsOfStarvingI think since of the defensiveness people have around these charges is just how knee jerk they are.

We wait sometimes 9 months long for certain bug fixes -_-
We make feature requests in the hope we'll see new features added in the next few years.
We patiently wait for Wayland to mature...

But then a Windows-centric YouTube celebrity had a relatively minor problem compared to what we're used to, and we start to see just how quickly things can change for us.
Add to this:
That person is not even a Linux user.
They're not going to be a Linux user.
To a lot of us the problem could have been easily avoided in the first place. (The "problem" wasn't a problem, so to speak).

The arguments or responses I'm seeing made in here is very much understandable given the circumstances.

It's a matter of principle which gets people backs up.

For Luke he may stay on linux for work. He has been on mint before and left because have some problems which has been resolved...

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Another video is interesting :-) (they have it on floatplane, free access on youtube later)
I hope that nvidia react same way as APT devolepers :-D And try fix what he criticize :-D
In another point, some script which he used has already been updated and now has instruction how run script :-)

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Arten

Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: AussieEeveeThere is a tiny little warning blended in with all the other white noise on the screen, and blaming Linus is just silly.

TINY? lol - dude, there was NO "white noise". There's FIRST an explicit warnings, very clearly put, AND info on what exact packages are about to be installed (for you to make up your own mind), then ANOTHER very explicit warning AND you're required to type a bloody SENTENCE to get through with it.
If that ain't clear enough then you're not really mature to use a system that gives you full control. You're supposed to READ what the system tells you. Read, and comprehend.

With great powers comes great responsibilities - and that goes for the package managers too. Most definitely.

But if you're after a OS that completely PADS you inside a fuzzy box where you can do nothing to harm you - well then Linux is not, was never and hopefully never will be your right choice.

Are you aware about incident has been on Pop!_OS? Beginer friendly distro?

Far be it from me to continue what is turning toxic, but it's hard not to point out that the problem was actually that the install from the gui didn't work and didn't break the system, and it took googling, following random comments from the 'net, and a command line to actually "break" it (not really broken, just without a graphical desktop).

If the reaction from (and I keep wanting to type POS, even though I know the bad humour in that) had been to do exactly what KDE has done here, would the conversation be different now?

And reason why is get to googling is gui fault. Gui can more explicitly say "try later or report error" and when you google it anyway apt can force you to write "Yes, remove esencial packages", or "Yes, potentialy break system" instead of "Yes, do as I say" becasue "Yes, do as I say" tells nothing.
Migrating Windows users dont know about writing sentence is somethink to be aware of.
I did not say that APT fix is best way. What i prefere is "Yes, potentionaly break system" and/or hide everethink from output except warnings/errors and and instruction to write "Yes, potentionaly break system" and another option "write 'detail' for full information"... That is my prefered way how handle this.

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