Let me throws a molotov 'made from 4 liter jerrycan' to 'bonfire'...

Rust will be MS exclusive (XB+W10 store only)......
/s

BTW, no pre-order and no early access. Always buy when it's available. That's what I learned after gaming on Linux.

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Still waiting (and hoping) MXGP3 will be on Linux eventually.

Also, I really wished Astragon launching their latest game on Linux. Bus Simulator 18 and Fishing: Barents Sea looks awesome.

p/s: FeralTime™ ..... hahaha!

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Hipster Cafe... Now you can bankrupting yourself without losing your money. :P:D

Note: FYI, most so-called hipster cafe in Malaysia only survived less than 2 years and that's maximum.

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However, digging even a little deeper, we need to also take into account that the Hardware Survey from August 2017 up until April 2018 had a counting flaw, which had cyber cafes using Windows 7 in Asia being over-counted. So it's probable the Linux numbers between those dates were actually higher, which would partially explain why the increase is so much smaller in later years but it likely would still be a smaller increase compared to previous years.

I wonder if Microsoft will extending the Windows 7 EOL date.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyAnd China has masses of high tech university campuses full of students, and they're gonna be using some Linux because it's the OS for servers and the cloud and supercomputers and robotics and often science. So why the hell aren't they fixing it up?

Same goes for a place like Iran--educated population, plenty good reasons not to be dependent on US software, source is open, what's the problem?

In short, I understand that Linux is in many places not that polished for the desktop, but why not?!

Two simple questions I can tell a very simple answers and a example.

Most governments and corporations in Asia (regardless what style of governance, dictactors or democratics) wanted "eunuchs" graduates not "inventors" graduates because the inventors graduates can and will "take you down" as they are smarter than you. So, they are paranoid.

The example, "big and VIP" persons, politicians (almost every politicians here are rich) and millionaires/billionaires always not sending their children to "local public universities", instead they send their children to overseas (mostly the west) as "local public universities" are their source of eunuchs. They don't want their children to "fucked up" like other kids that they "fucking" with.

I cannot going deeper answer than that.

Also, please do not forcing me or other non or partial - free citizens here to tell more deeper answer than that, as it will never come out good. I (or anyone here) doesn't want go "on vacation" for years because of our comments. I hope you'll understand and be sensible of this "super sensitive" matter (for us). Thank you.

EDIT: Too early pressing send button and my internet connection...... :><:

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Well, I'm agreed to partially agree/disagree with some of your opinions except two statement below.

Quoting: TheSHEEEP1. I am sorry, but you just sound like those people in the West when the smartphone boom started there 15 years ago.
Or when consoles became a thing.

2."PC gaming is dead, consoles/smartphones/whatever are the future!" Bla, bla, bla...
And here we are, 15 years later (which is an eternity in tech time), with more PC games releasing than ever and more of them being sold than ever.
Eh, PC gaming is doing great and will keep on doing so. I couldn't care less how much more well mobile does - it simply doesn't matter.

1. I am genuine believe that mobile devices/smartphone will continue to growth and not saturated yet because....
- portability, most smartphone not lightweight (nearly 200 gram) but it's definitely lighter than laptop.
- performance, some smartphone can outperform laptop that comes with.....
- price, ..... sometimes much cheaper price than laptop.
- tech, new battery tech, folding screen, physical keyboard comeback for some models, etc.
So, smartphones are just enough for most average people computing needs. But for gaming segment (including Linux gaming), I'm kinda have mixed opinion. That's why I partially agree and disagree with your opinion.

2. Yes, PC gaming currently doing excellently. I've never denied that. I'm never said PC gaming is dead.
I'm saying that PC market in general is saturated. Not oversaturated but it is hard for a new player (manufacturer) entering the market with many established brands already conquered PC segment for years. Even established one like IBM ran away years ago.

Again, let's we agree to partially agree/disagree. And again, Let the time again decide. I'm rest my case.

Quoting: liamdaweRemember to keep it cool and calm :)

Please don't lock this thread Liam. Pleaseee.... :(

EDIT: Spelling and grammar corrections.

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Note: This comment is not about Linux.

Ahh... Tcnt done it again. Nuff said. Not everyone (even some Chinese gamers) are big fan with Tcnt.

Don't @ me, search for yourself. So, I'm a bit worried on Paradox.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPFully irrelevant.
This is about internet usage. If I was purely interested in internet usage, I also wouldn't bother to buy a PC.
It makes absolute sense that some of those who were primarily using their PC for things easily done on mobile nowadays switch to mobile.

But we're talking about gaming here.
If you can afford a proper big screen and a PC to go with it, you won't buy a tiny-screened mobile device for the purpose of gaming.
Depending on your needs, you'll go for a PC or subsidized PC with questionable input (aka console).

Totally disagree. Internet usage is prove where did people (in this case/report Malaysians and foreigners live in Malaysia) spending their time on to computing.

Look closely on rising internet usage of smart TV/Kodi box. Steve Jobs was partially right. Right now, most people considered PC as 'a truck'. Kodi box/smart TV are 'lightweight truck' that fullfilled most average people computing needs.

Not everyone need an full size desktop to most things that you can do it on smartphones, including gaming. PC gaming was started on decline especially post-Android where affordable, powerful and Chinese-branded smartphone flooding on market. Only PC gaming enthusiasts now staying on PC platform. Post-PC especially PC gaming booming right now won't last long. Well, it's not a bubble but saturated market cannot growing anymore.

And....., It's not coincidence with report on mobile gaming will hitting nearly $70 million of US$140 million this year Gameindustry.biz article [External Link]

EDIT: $70 million, $140 Million are total global market. 50% mobile, 25% console, 24% PC.
(Note to self: Do not write comments on wee morning)

If I'm game developer, I know where's best futureproof platform to publish my games on (and making money). And do not underestimate ARM chipset power and portability of smartphone. People nowadays are always on the move for example, you have to go 'out-station work' away from home for 2-5 days. People do not give a damn on how small their screen as long they can 'gaming' on anywhere without a problem. That's a fact.

If you disagree then better for us to agree to disagree. I'm not looking for argument. Just to state the fact and reality about our future, mobile devices/smartphones. Microsoft looking to unite all their systems (Windows, XBox, W10 Mobile/ARM etc) on single ecosystem (read walled garden). Apple already 1/2 step closer.

Again, not looking for argument. Better we agree to disagree. Let the time tells if we are right or wrong.

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Quoting: SalvatosConsidering the initial proposition was that "pulling in users from Asia would probably help quite a lot [to improve Linux gaming]", I don't think the proportion of handheld usage in Asia contradicts that. 30% PC users in Asia still represents more people than the entire population (not gamers or even PC users) of North America and Europe combined. To me, that looks like a significant pool of potential users to try and include.

Totally agree. But that's the problem. PC/x86 platform is already saturated and starts to decline. And in Asia generally PC = Windows, Windows = PC (until recently everyone already starts to accepted Chromebook considered as PC).

As human, it's hard for us to change our old habit, old perspective, accept new changes or anything that "we used to". That's why promoting Linux is hard. And adding fuel to "Linux is hard", that's lots of stigmatized on Linux for example it cannot rendered Asian characters such as Thai, Chinese, Tamil, Arabic-based and so on.

On bright side, since Windows XP EOL and especially after ransomware attacks, some public and private institution/firms in Malaysia already started experimenting Linux for their office use (according to some friends). IDK what's result but that's a good thing.

Ok guys, off to work...

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPIn the west, that myth popped up in the 2000s, but is pretty much debunked by now.
Just because one think is growing like crazy (mobile), doesn't mean the other thing (PC/console) is falling - merely growing smaller.

Look graph images at Malaysian Communications And Multimedia Commission (MCMC) report, "INTERNET USERS SURVEY 2017":


**Credit To IAMK Learning Center ( iamk.com.my ) for cropping-out this image from MCMC PDF.**

Here's the quote from MCMC report, page 10 and 11

Smartphone remained the most popular means for users to access the Internet (89.4%) making the country a mobile-oriented society. Additionally, in 2016, there were 28.5 million mobile broadband subscriptions compared to 2.5 million fixed broadband subscriptions.

However, Internet access from other mobile devices saw a declining trend. For instance, the use of portable personal computer such as netbook, notebook and laptop to access Internet has dropped to 36.3% (2015: 46.0%), while tablet declined to 18.0% (2015: 24.8%) and feature phone to 9.4 (2015:15.8%). On the contrary, access through smart TV and TV streaming box inclined, albeit the little take up. A total of 6.7% of Internet users has been online via Smart TV in 2016, compared to only 1.9% in 2014. The percentage of accessing Internet using TV streaming box increased to 5.6% in 2016, from 4.2% in 2015.

[[PDF]source: MCMC](https://www.mcmc.gov.my/skmmgovmy/media/General/pdf/MCMC-Internet-Users-Survey-2017.pdf)
IAMK Learning Centre article [External Link]

Before commenting, it's better you read MCMC reports first . I'm human, probably I missed somewhere important infomations.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyHang on a minute--the article we're discussing around relates to the masses of new Asian Steam users, mostly playing PUBG, in such numbers that (since virtually none of 'em use Linux) they're torpedoing the % share of Linux on Steam. So are you saying all those people don't exist? Surely if them not using Linux is sufficient to seriously drop the Linux share, them using Linux at least as much as everyone else would make it not drop, which I think could reasonably be considered "helping quite a lot".

First, I want to clarify a very simple thing. Asia (the continent) ≠ China, China ≠ Southeast Asia (SEA). I write this because I do not want you to be confused as SEA gaming community are super diverse. To give you perspective, Ragnarok: Online still have players base and that game was launched when I was in primary school AFAIK.

Back to question, first look at concurrence PUBG players (from SteamDB) [External Link], for last 6++ months. If you look closely, 1/2 of total peak player base already gone. For two reasons:

1. Fortnite
2. PUBG MOBILE

PUBG mobile is free-to-play and on smartphone. Smartphone generally is dominant in Asia. So....

Regarding Linux in general, most school in Malaysia already adopted Chromebook since 2013-2014 (even do the deployment are slow as f**K Malaysian way and also cronyism problems). While generally I (and some of GoL people) do not like Chromebook because of G+++, but for exposure on Linux, it's a good way to promoting Linux.

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Quoting: skinnyrafeSport on mobile - not (yet?). Serious gaming - sure.

Already had. [External Link] Also, if you've Astro (only satellite tv provider in Malaysia) subscription, you'll get eGG Network [External Link] channel for free. eGG is e-sport channel (only thing I watched on traditional TV since 2017).

Malaysia Esports League website [External Link]

EDIT: Fixed a link and added some sentences.

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