Fortunately there are more than enough good alternatives for Discord, in case they screw it up.

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I tried the GOG version about a month ago, didn't work. The current version works and to my surprise it can now be played with controller (last time I tried, the game could be played with controller, but it behaved like a mouse). So I will finally be able to sink my teeth into this. Worth noting for people like me who really disliked the M+K controls for this game.

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Bought the game. I don't plan on playing it anytime soon, but I bought it to support the Linux friendly devs. I'll probably play it once it comes out of early access.

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Quoting: PhiladelphusIs this *by* the studio that made Goat Simulator, or was that just a comparison? I couldn't tell.
Fake edit: I looked it up on Steam, and it's a different studio, MAD Sprouts.

I like the premise, I think you could get a lot of story mileage (and a bunch of games) out of the tension between animals and humans moving into their territory, as seen from the animal perspective.

The studio that made Goat Simulator are working on Satisfactory now, which looks to be a great game, but unfortunately no Linux version.

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I completely forgot that this was a thing.

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Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: RoosterI don't see any problem with users not running updates.

A compromised computer will be used as a beachhead for attacks against others. Good computer hygiene protects all of us. Unpatched software puts us all at risk.

If you're technically proficient enough to read patch notes and make an informed choice of whether this particular update needs to be applied at this particular time then you're more than capable of turning automatic updates off. If you're the kind of user that says "ooh, that looks complicated," then you ought to be protected and not a hazard to everyone else by default.

That's a very dangerous line of thinking you have there.

At first we will be like.. Let's just force updates for non tech users. But what if it won't work. What if we will find out that most not up to date computers are actually run by tech-profound users who willingly choose not to run updates. That makes those users a risk to everyone else as well. To eliminate this risk, we ought to force them do updates too, no? Then you end up with Windows scenario.

No. Updates should never be forced on the user. Nor should auto-updates be enabled by default.

One way to do this is to have the option of enabling auto updates during installation.

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I don't see any problem with users not running updates. It's their computer. What they put on it is up to them. I always look at it using the ownership princeple from OOP. An object owned by another object should never give orders to it. It can only inform that something happen.

Same applies here. The user/admin always should be in the highest point in this hierarchy. OS should inform me that there are updates available. But it should never force me in any way to run them. A simple panel icon with pop-up on start is enough. Anything more than that is unneeded and unwanted.

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Quoting: Bladeforce

Quoting: Rooster

Quoting: AkonadyIf they stop with this Open Source bs they could sell the game, make money from it, and turn the game into a real game, hiring developers, not this garbage, this game is not even close to Age of Empires, sorry. But hey, they still got 1.000 years to finish the game.

But... Why? You already have so many games in this exact genre which do exactly that, why is it bad to have one game which decides to do it in another way? Imagine, if one day you become a game developer and be like: "Oh man, this 0 A.D. game is garbage. If only I could add this and that and sell it, not only it would be the perfect game, I would make some serious money on it. ... Wait, what do you mean that since the game is open source, I can totally do exactly that?"

Quoting: Bladeforce

Quoting: AkonadyIf they stop with this Open Source bs they could sell the game, make money from it, and turn the game into a real game, hiring developers, not this garbage, this game is not even close to Age of Empires, sorry. But hey, they still got 1.000 years to finish the game.

I suggest you grow up, go out and learn more about life. You won't get far by having an attitude like that. The developers are doing this in their own time, for fun and to be honest its a great game FOR FREE.
Maybe just maybe the whole idea is to just update the game and never reach an end goal? I for one like this as if you were tied to regular games you would have paid for 0.A.D 25 times by now.
Support these people not lambast them with irrational, prepubescent crap.
The only thing garbage about this is that I have to share the air I breathe with trolls like yourself

I like the main point of your comment, but were the insults really necessary? Every time when someone talks about Linux community being toxic, I mention the Linux gaming community being the nicest community ever. Yeah I agree that Akonady is dead wrong, but so was I about so many things in the past and can you really say the same doesn't apply to you?

Did you also come out and say total garbage about a group of people doing something their way for nothing?
Common sense is seriously lacking. Sometimes being blunt is the best riposte to a troll

Yes, there was this one time when a youtuber named Chris Titus Tech made a video called "Why I Stopped Using Linux for Gaming". Due to lack of any real arguments or actual informational value, that video was total garbage in my opinion and I did comment exactly that. And I stand by it, unless someone makes a good case on why I am wrong.

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Quoting: AkonadyIf they stop with this Open Source bs they could sell the game, make money from it, and turn the game into a real game, hiring developers, not this garbage, this game is not even close to Age of Empires, sorry. But hey, they still got 1.000 years to finish the game.

But... Why? You already have so many games in this exact genre which do exactly that, why is it bad to have one game which decides to do it in another way? Imagine, if one day you become a game developer and be like: "Oh man, this 0 A.D. game is garbage. If only I could add this and that and sell it, not only it would be the perfect game, I would make some serious money on it. ... Wait, what do you mean that since the game is open source, I can totally do exactly that?"

Quoting: Bladeforce

Quoting: AkonadyIf they stop with this Open Source bs they could sell the game, make money from it, and turn the game into a real game, hiring developers, not this garbage, this game is not even close to Age of Empires, sorry. But hey, they still got 1.000 years to finish the game.

I suggest you grow up, go out and learn more about life. You won't get far by having an attitude like that. The developers are doing this in their own time, for fun and to be honest its a great game FOR FREE.
Maybe just maybe the whole idea is to just update the game and never reach an end goal? I for one like this as if you were tied to regular games you would have paid for 0.A.D 25 times by now.
Support these people not lambast them with irrational, prepubescent crap.
The only thing garbage about this is that I have to share the air I breathe with trolls like yourself

I like the main point of your comment, but were the insults really necessary? Every time when someone talks about Linux community being toxic, I mention the Linux gaming community being the nicest community ever. Yeah I agree that Akonady is dead wrong, but so was I about so many things in the past and can you really say the same doesn't apply to you?

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Rooster

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Rooster

Quoting: GuestI think the danger of turning it into basically Windows needs to be considered. Does that make sense? Long worded, but obviously something that I am concerned about.

Not really sure what you mean by that. Why would more people adapting Linux for gaming turn it into Windows?

(oh damn, I wrote a lot - well it's a good question, thought it deserved a decent effort for me to answer)

I have really nothing much else to add elsewhere, can't really add anything other than words to the other points, just wanted to say about this one: DRM (_not_ Direct Rendering Manager, the other DRM), invasive anti-cheat (it's really not a stretch of the imagination for kernel level drivers to be a thing if various companies have their way), external companies controlling what desktop you use, what kernel version, what's compiled into your kernel, all manner of phone-home analytics, becoming a walled-garden system, only having interfaces that company XYZ permits you to have. Others deciding how gaming looks for you, not you deciding how gaming looks for you.

It's really not that far fetched. Yes, Stadia has "the ultimate DRM", but that's only for a game itself. I don't need to recompile the kernel or open up specific permissions and security holes locally to run the game. From that perspective, Stadia is allowing my system to be far more open ironically. The cost? Publishers dictate what I can do with that game. A particular conundrum I have no answer for.

I'd rather gaming be adapted to GNU/Linux, than GNU/Linux (or really even just Linux as the kernel) be adapted to gaming because I see the latter turning into "GNU/Linux being locked down for gaming". Not saying that is definitely the path it's going down, but I can see signs of it headed that way and we should all be cautious.

Last example for, because wow am I carrying on, but when VP first released Witcher 2 there was an uproar over a supported compatibility layer being used. Valve package their own flavour of wine, plug in dxvk, and help bring modifications to the kernel to have that run better - and nobody bats an eyelid. I'm not saying these aren't all useful software technologies, instead it's an example of how easily opinions change, and how easily that can carry into GNU/Linux being turned into Microsoft/Linux.

I still don't understand. I mean.. You always have the option not to use any of that stuff, so what's the issue here?

I always have the option to switch to BSD, but that's not really going to solve anything. It's getting to the point of wanting to do or play any "serious" games (for some definition of that term) you need to accept being told what to install, do, and not do, on your own system. If you don't see that as Really Bad, there's probably no point to me adding anything extra other than to paste a few links to FSF, GNU, talks by Stallman, and a few good books (e.g Cathedral and the Bazaar, Rebel Code).

I would like real example on the bolded. I never felt obligated having to install something on my system.

Or are you talking about the need to install Wine and DXVK to play non native games? Because if yes and your way of fighting against it is to take away the option to do so from users.. Then I can see the Stallman influence in you. Which I'm not saying is a bad thing. I agree with what Stallman wants to achieve, but disagree completely with the way he goes about achieving it. I think users should have the freedom to run whatever they want on their system.

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