Quoting: Guest

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Quoting: GuestAlso, and absolutely not rhetoric, but really, REALLY out of curiosity:
Why someone on earth could have an interest in opening the whole steam to start obs!?

Presumably the people likely to do this would be people who are opening Steam anyway to play games?

If it were true, then i'd expect fro those people to add every program they use as a non steam application to their steam library.

So you mean, like, they'd add things they do while not playing games to their game-library software because that's exactly the same as adding things they do while playing games to their game-library software?

Ah, understood.
So the use case is that since obs may be used even while they are playing steam games, then it makes sense to take the burden to package and release it as a steam application, because people will prefer to start it from their library.
This honestly I haven't thought to.
Well then, but this still does not help my progress in understanding the motivations, because i don't think they are installing a browser as a steam specific app or any other app one may think of one can use while they are playing.
Ofc I may be wrong, but I really don't believe the number of users starting obs from steam justifies the release in their store.
Probably is just a matter of having more visibility or I just don't know.

I think it's not just that OBS may be used "even while they are playing games," but rather, a major use case for OBS is specifically to record gameplay. It makes sense to make it available via the major game store because it is used by gaming content creators together with games.

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Quoting: Mountain ManThere's just too much pressure on the industry to keep games locked down despite the fact that DRM has done nothing to curb piracy in the slightest and only serves to inconvenience the honest paying customer.

I don't think the data actually bear this out, at least in absolute terms. I think there is *some* deterrent effect to DRM on games, if only for the very brief period before it gets cracked, and that might amount to a relatively small but nonzero number of additional sales. On the whole I still think it is philosophically a shitty way to treat customers, but there is almost certainly a marginally legitimate reason it exists.

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Quoting: areamanplaysgameHey, have you figured out why you don't have friends yet?

Do you really think someone like me cares about having friends ? I have two friends and a wife, i'm good. I can be charming if I want to be, it's just that 99% of the time I simply don't care how i'm perceived. Quite liberating and you should try it.

If you think the only reason not to be a dick is so that other people won't perceive you as a dick, you are mistaken.

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Quoting: rustybroomhandleWow, the comments on that announcement seem to be 90% Russians yelling about nazis and calling CDPR "traitors" and stuff.

It's saddening what propaganda can do to people. :cry:

Are you assuming these are all organic people falling for propaganda? Don't discount the prevalence of state-run troll farms.

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Quoting: PublicNuisanceChicken and the egg. If gamers don't support FOSS games how will they ever get to be on par ?

I don't think that's even possible. FOSS works on timeless products that can be worked on (and used) for many years. Most games are very much a quick turn around thing with a limited lifespan. It requires a lot of effort in a relatively short time which can't reasonably be set up as a FOSS environment.

Well you can believe what you want but I believe one can either be part of the solution or part of the problem. If people are angry about a closed source game closing down it's servers but won't try to help support FOSS alternatives that wouldn't have that issue then I have zero sympathy when they whine about it. They continue to give money to the companies screwing them over and want to whine about how they continue to screw them over. Insansity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Wow, your tone. So condescending. No-one is "whining" - not a single person on this thread could be considered to be whining. And what are you suggesting exactly - that we all stop buying proprietary games and only "buy" (presumably, offer support to) FOSS games?? No-one... not a single person... is going to do that.

Because nothing is ever as black or white as you're making out. I buy my Steam games, and I enjoy playing them. Ain't gonna stop doing that. But I'm also a patreon supporter of Godot Engine and Wine-Staging (and Wikimedia, and a handful of other good causes), and I've bought a few games on Steam that are free elsewhere, like Tales of Maj'Eyal.

But what really gets me with your attitude is that I don't even KNOW how to better support FOSS gaming and you've offered nothing specific. Liam maintains a list of free games on this very site, but none of them have particularly well established, obvious ways to support them. Some only want contributors, some might want money, but often don't have an easy way to take donations. Some simply want publicity. Even a super-star FOSS game like SuperTux doesn't take money on its steam page [External Link]. Pretty frustrating.

It would be great if these projects just spun up an Itch.io page and stuck their games under PWYW. But it doesn't look like many do, so in practical terms, how on earth does someone "support FOSS alternatives".

A contributing editor to a Linux gaming website doesn't know how to support FOSS projects. This is the state of Linux gaming. You mention Super Tux for instance, how could anybody figure out how to support them ? If only there was a donate button on the main page of their website. Oh wait there is.

https://www.supertux.org/ [External Link]

I'll let you search for it, if it takes you more than 30 seconds to spot it then that's on you.

https://tuxemon.org/ [External Link]

Donate button at the top of the page.

https://veloren.net/ [External Link]

Donate button at the top of the page

https://www.vega-strike.org/ [External Link]

Donate button at the bottom of the page

https://www.redeclipse.net/ [External Link]

Donate button at the top of the page

Need I go on ? You have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not be able to figure out how to donate to a FOSS project. How about even going to Liberapay or Open Collective and search "FOSS" or "game" and you'll come up with a few hits. I swear humanity is at the stage where tying one's own shoes is a difficult task for many.

Hey, have you figured out why you don't have friends yet?

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Quoting: TheRiddickOne of the biggest pitfalls of centralized multiplayer login or authentication servers and not just handling it peer-to-peer or at the local hosts side.

There are a lot of benefits to it too, though. But it would be cool if, at least when they're shutting down their official servers, they released tools to let customers set up their own private ones.

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Quoting: omer666For a company that started as a mac-exclusive, it is pretty goofy to be so hostile.

It's not especially hostile. The point is in order to make it work right now, you would have to defeat anti-cheat. Obviously they can't say that's OK.

While I am disappointed that they are not putting in the very little effort it would take to make the game playable on Linux, it's just business.

Destiny 2 uses BattlEye as its anti-cheat system. BattlEye has supported Linux, by their own words, for a long time and will continue to support Linux for the foreseeable future.

This is disingenuous. BattlEye doesn't "just work" on Linux. It requires an explicit opt-in by the devs, which implies that there is a reason devs might not want to opt in. It very likely comes with the same disclaimers as EAC, namely, that to be *really* effective, it needs to have kernel access, which is something you simply can't do on Linux because there isn't just one Linux kernel, and there are potentially an infinite number of custom kernels. Like it or not, this is a decision for the devs to make, and it carries a risk of making the game worse for existing players by introducing a new pool of players who, while not any more likely to cheat, probably can do so more easily.

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Quoting: rustybroomhandle"Oh no, we have a cheating problem on Windows, best keep those stinky Linux users out. Everyone knows they're mad haxx0rz that sit in their hoodies in the dark cheating at video games."

Q: If a non-negligible number of players of this game on Windows cheat, do you think people playing it on Linux (especially on the Steam Deck, which is supposed to "just work" and not even require you to know it's running Linux) are less likely to do so?

The issue is clearly not that Linux players are *more* likely to cheat, it's that they haven't verified that their anti-cheat measures, which work somewhat on Windows, will work on Linux. My guess is they will figure it out if the Steam Deck sells enough to make it worth figuring out.

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Quoting: rustybroomhandle"Boomer Shooter" is such a weird term when you consider that the original boomer shooters were made by Gen-X.

Well thats because people that spout the word boomer had no fucking idea what it means

I know what it means. I think it's hilarious that it's become a catch-all term for "old people," because we all know the actual boomers are the real assholes.

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