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Quoting: Luke_NukemI just purged all *386 libs from my install, including Steam. Then installed Steam via flatpak...

No. Issues. At. All.

But this doesn't solve HumbleBumble or GOG. Though I do seem to recall and automated GOG->flatpak creator?

And what about proton games? Do they work without problems?

I have no problems at all.

So, how you can install games to non-system drive? As i recall, flatpak Steam is isolated from the rest of OS. You cannot go out of flatpak's file system.

EDIT: Without changing location of Steam, of course. For example leave Steam (and some games) on SSD and keep rest of them on two separate HDD drives.

You can do it with a flatpak override like described here:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086529/how-to-give-a-flatpak-app-access-to-a-directory [External Link]

or you can mount partitions into the [edit: Steam flatpak] packages folder.

But as i said earlier in replay- you can't compare it to "native" solution. These are like 5 clicks or so, not mounting disks manually or changing flatpak permissions.

Yes, it is a container/sandbox solution. Therefore it is more complex by nature. On the other hand, in the simplest case, if your system is installed on a single big partition, there is no configuration necessary at all. In Linux Mint you install flatpak Steam via gui, and then just use it. Only adding a second Steam library on a second partition is one step more than it already is.

That is probably too hard for average user switching from Windows to Linux. And who today has one big partition? I don't see many people buying multi terabytes SSD-es. And HDD are falling out of favor, especially as system disks.

Probably true. I guess theres still room for optimization or configuration UIs, but not only with flatpaks. When I think about Nvidia driver installation and update mangement on some distros...

And that's the point.

Sorry, I edited while you were already answering! I had forgot a point to make my post clearer. But I think we generally agree that some things should be made easier to configure and understand in the future.
Still I think flatpaks are the right way in principle.

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Quoting: Gryxx

Quoting: Nevertheless

Quoting: Gryxx

Quoting: Nevertheless

Quoting: Gryxx

Quoting: Nevertheless

Quoting: x_wing

Quoting: Luke_NukemI just purged all *386 libs from my install, including Steam. Then installed Steam via flatpak...

No. Issues. At. All.

But this doesn't solve HumbleBumble or GOG. Though I do seem to recall and automated GOG->flatpak creator?

And what about proton games? Do they work without problems?

I have no problems at all.

So, how you can install games to non-system drive? As i recall, flatpak Steam is isolated from the rest of OS. You cannot go out of flatpak's file system.

EDIT: Without changing location of Steam, of course. For example leave Steam (and some games) on SSD and keep rest of them on two separate HDD drives.

You can do it with a flatpak override like described here:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086529/how-to-give-a-flatpak-app-access-to-a-directory [External Link]

or you can mount partitions into the [edit: Steam flatpak] packages folder.

But as i said earlier in replay- you can't compare it to "native" solution. These are like 5 clicks or so, not mounting disks manually or changing flatpak permissions.

Yes, it is a container/sandbox solution. Therefore it is more complex by nature. On the other hand, in the simplest case, if your system is installed on a single big partition, there is no configuration necessary at all. In Linux Mint you install flatpak Steam via gui, and then just use it. Only adding a second Steam library on a second partition is one step more than it already is.

That is probably too hard for average user switching from Windows to Linux. And who today has one big partition? I don't see many people buying multi terabytes SSD-es. And HDD are falling out of favor, especially as system disks.

Probably true. I guess there's still room for optimization or for configuration UIs. But not only with flatpaks, partitioning itself is not easy for beginners. And when I think about Nvidia driver installation and update mangement on some distros...

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Quoting: Gryxx

Quoting: Nevertheless

Quoting: Gryxx

Quoting: Nevertheless

Quoting: x_wing

Quoting: Luke_NukemI just purged all *386 libs from my install, including Steam. Then installed Steam via flatpak...

No. Issues. At. All.

But this doesn't solve HumbleBumble or GOG. Though I do seem to recall and automated GOG->flatpak creator?

And what about proton games? Do they work without problems?

I have no problems at all.

So, how you can install games to non-system drive? As i recall, flatpak Steam is isolated from the rest of OS. You cannot go out of flatpak's file system.

EDIT: Without changing location of Steam, of course. For example leave Steam (and some games) on SSD and keep rest of them on two separate HDD drives.

You can do it with a flatpak override like described here:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086529/how-to-give-a-flatpak-app-access-to-a-directory [External Link]

or you can mount partitions into the [edit: Steam flatpak] packages folder.

But as i said earlier in replay- you can't compare it to "native" solution. These are like 5 clicks or so, not mounting disks manually or changing flatpak permissions.

Yes, it is a container/sandbox solution. Therefore it is more complex by nature. On the other hand, in the simplest case, if your system is installed on a single big partition, there is no configuration necessary at all. In Linux Mint you install flatpak Steam via gui, and then just use it. Only adding a second Steam library on a second partition is one step more than it already is.

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Quoting: Nevertheless

Quoting: x_wing

Quoting: Luke_NukemI just purged all *386 libs from my install, including Steam. Then installed Steam via flatpak...

No. Issues. At. All.

But this doesn't solve HumbleBumble or GOG. Though I do seem to recall and automated GOG->flatpak creator?

And what about proton games? Do they work without problems?

I have no problems at all.

So, how you can install games to non-system drive? As i recall, flatpak Steam is isolated from the rest of OS. You cannot go out of flatpak's file system.

EDIT: Without changing location of Steam, of course. For example leave Steam (and some games) on SSD and keep rest of them on two separate HDD drives.

You can do it with a flatpak override like described here:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086529/how-to-give-a-flatpak-app-access-to-a-directory [External Link]

or you can mount partitions into the [edit: Steam flatpak] packages folder.

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Quoting: Luke_NukemI just purged all *386 libs from my install, including Steam. Then installed Steam via flatpak...

No. Issues. At. All.

But this doesn't solve HumbleBumble or GOG. Though I do seem to recall and automated GOG->flatpak creator?

Look here ->
https://twitter.com/jjardon/status/1143032412361773056?s=20 [External Link]

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Quoting: Luke_NukemI just purged all *386 libs from my install, including Steam. Then installed Steam via flatpak...

No. Issues. At. All.

But this doesn't solve HumbleBumble or GOG. Though I do seem to recall and automated GOG->flatpak creator?

And what about proton games? Do they work without problems?

I have no problems at all.

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Quoting: Luke_NukemI just purged all *386 libs from my install, including Steam. Then installed Steam via flatpak...

No. Issues. At. All.

But this doesn't solve HumbleBumble or GOG. Though I do seem to recall and automated GOG->flatpak creator?

True! Though it is possible to install and play GOG games via "Install non Steam game" function in flatpak Steam - even Windows GOG games via Proton. Not the perfect solution, but works!

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Quoting: abelthorneThey said don't want Arch nor Debian.

Source?
They did say they're fed up with Debian tooling but they've not stated they don't want Debian itself.

In my opinion:

• OpenSuse: tumbleweed is a rolling distro and you don't want that for mainstream. Leap is only supported for 18 months that's way too short


• Arch based distro: come on, be serious, we're talking mainstream here


• Clear Linux: nope, rolling and controlled by a company that could shut it down without warning


• Centos or derived distro: with'ppas', why not. Still controlled by Redhat but Redhat has a good track record unlike Canonical. I still doubt Valve would want to be at the mercy of a company though


• Debian: most logical choice. Stable and with a really good track record, not vendor-controlled. Main problem is indeed some tooling is really showing its age. Apt was awesome back in the days but it's lackluster nowadays. Maybe Valve can contribute improvements?


• Ubuntu: Canonical has showed once again they can't be trusted. Going with a derived distro (like PopOs) would still be vulnerable to Canonical nonsense

I repeat myself.. I think they should aim to officially support the Flathub Steam flatpak on at least a set of distros, or provide one themselves. It runs 32bit games on pure 64bit distros without problems.

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Quoting: GuestMaybe Shuttleworth still plans on a Canonical Initial Public Offering (IPO) in 2019. It would make Ubuntu more attractive if they don't focus on the 32 bit libs but on profitable projects instead.

I think that it's time for Arch, Manjaro, Debian or Fedora to become the new leading OS for the desktop.

And I also like Clear Linux OS as a replacement for Ubuntu because it is generally the fastest system and because you have collaboration potential with Intel. And Clear Linux also works very fast on AMD hardware.

There will be some initial problems with Nvidia drivers and other issues but I think that Clear Linux OS can be a perfect replacement for Ubuntu in the long term.

It will become clearer when Clear Linux adopts KDE Plasma.. .. Holy f.. it already has!
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=clear-linux-kde&num=1 [External Link]

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Quoting: deathxxxIf Valve move to FreeBSD, that will be great! Because BSD is more faster than Linux. Only AMD cards will have no binary drivers, so will force to use Mesa. For Nvidia is OK. PlayStation uses BSD already and we saw how it run.

Oh yes of course! Valve scraps everything they did for Linux (and community) and goes for BSD, turning to the vivid BSD gaming community for support, hoping for engine vendors, hardware vendors, middleware vendors, game developers to support their brand of BSD .. or doing it all themselves, because Canonical stops delivering Linux 32bit libs? I don't think so.

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