Quoting: liamdaweInterestingly, Valve are now funding [External Link] some work on KWin (part of KDE). - Added to the article.

I guess it would be quite easy to officially support the Flathub Steam flatpak, which already minimizes compatibility issues on lots of distros. Maybe Valve could even build a SteamOS flatpak themselves (I guess Snap is out of the contest by now ;-)), to support any distribution with recent enough kernel and drivers, without having to single out one specificially.
What you show us here speaks a different language however. To me this looks like they really seem to be concerned about the Linux desktop.
To fund KDE Plasma software, while using Gnome 3 for SteamOS at the same time is an interesting choice btw...

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: Mountain ManYou should never pay for an unfinished product. This is just common sense.

Crowd funding made many games possible I bought and loved.

It's all a matter of trust! I know who better not to trust a second time now...

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Quoting: riusma

Quoting: GuestThey are the worst!

At least they had offered refund for bakers when Linux was cancelled. ;)

I didn't know pastries were affected, but at least bakeries had a choice. xD

But seriously, I think offering a refund is not even close to addressing the issue. It is maybe better than getting a game you will never run.

A company gets people to give them money under false pretenses; the money and number of backers are usually displayed in the campaign or in advertisements, misleading other backers; they hold on to the money usually for a long time; and usually the burden of asking for a refund is on the backer. So they take a "fraudulent" zero interest loan, benefit from user engagement for marketing, and they keep the money unless the backer puts in the effort to get it back. They use in bad faith the lax nature of crowdfunding to get away with stuff like this.

Even worse for our cause! They use our will to support our platform, only to turn around and prominently do the opposite.

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Just in case you didn't know: FM19 runs via Proton like a native version.

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Quoting: mylka

Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: mylkai dont see your point?
what does google see? when and which game i am playing? steam also has this data, even if you are offline

Technically they can see how you play. Whether you go the pacifist route or go full genocide run. Then they can decide (probably incorrectly) what kind of person you are and share that with other people/organisations that should not know that. Just an option.

same with steam
how do you think a game knows, when you get a achievement?

which game do you have in mind?
i mean i kill everything in rage 2....
i threw torches at random ppl in assassins creed.
if you are playing hatred, or postal.............. everyone knows what you are doing

That only shows that it's possible. Feed a specialized AI with lots and lots of data and you get a little more than achievements. Don't get me wrong. I don't think they think badly of you when you do this and that, or they tell anyone what you did. The might just use your portion of the data to find out in more detail how we humans tick, to use the information to do .. whatever they find appropriate.
Valve uses achievements, because users like them, and to improve their shop, including information about the games you like. Selling or abusing user data is not in their history, nor is it in their privacy policy.

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Quoting: mylka

Quoting: NeverthelessYou are beeing closely watched while you play. No privacy setting or alternate software can change this. Even on "shitty" Win10 you can simply go offline and play GOG games. People using Stadia might stop buying gaming PCs and hurt that option deeply and forever.

i dont see your point?
what does google see? when and which game i am playing? steam also has this data, even if you are offline

netflix sees when and which movie you are watching? sooo?
they dont care about me. they just show me: "you already watched this episode"

what data does google get, which they didnt have already?

i use google for searching
i use an android phone
i use google maps for navigation
i use firefox/chrome

google knows so damn much about us. stadia cant make that worse

My point is: Google is one of the big players in AI (with Facebook, IBM, Amazon and the chinese corporations). They are amongst the biggest dataminers on the planet. What is all the data good for? A more immediate use of it is to send personalized ads to people, to make lots of money, but that's not all! They need real life data to train their AI, which can be used to make health predictions, commercial predictions, Facebook for ecample used their data to make political voting predictions. They also learn how to manipulate people. Or they could use it for good reasons like traffic control. No one can know what Google does ecactly. They are not bound to any laws regulating the use of AI and user data.
So if you do nothing against Google taking all your data, because you don't care, then there is in fact no difference for you by using stadia. You just give them additional first hand data about your psychological reactions, behaviour, responses to situations, etc.. Everything they made you think they already got.
IF you do care, and you did the best you could to stop using their (free :-D) software, the Stadia does make a big difference!

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: NeverthelessSo how alone am I on GOL with that opinion? :)

I think most of that discussion has happened in previous threads. But no, you're not alone.

Must have missed that, or it has been summarized under the term "privacy concerns" ..
I also have to say that I would feel better about streaming if it was done by Valve, and if it was done as an additional option, although Valve (and game devs using Steam) also watch us playing to a certain amount, otherwise there would be no Steam achievements. But Valve has no record of selling or abusing user data, nor is it part of their privacy policy.

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Quoting: donbastiano

Quoting: NeverthelessEven on "shitty" Win10 you can simply go offline and play GOG games. People using Stadia might stop buying gaming PCs and hurt that option deeply and forever.

I'm not so sure that if you are offline Win10 is not "watching you"...

Maybe you're right. So you'd have to cut off the internet completely.. I'm not going to try! :)

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I think I read through the whole thread (not all in one time, so maybe I missed some posts), and I wonder: Where are all those voices that keep criticising Google for its main activities, which are data mining, and learning about human behaviour via AI, to be able to do the obvious, and maybe not so obvious things.
In my opinion Stadia is the ultimate tool to reach their goals even faster. You are beeing closely watched while you play. No privacy setting or alternate software can change this. Even on "shitty" Win10 you can simply go offline and play GOG games. People using Stadia might stop buying gaming PCs and hurt that option deeply and forever.
Yeah, a gaming PC is costly, downloading games needs time, things might break down, but sometimes it's me and my game, modded, played all wrong, maybe even cheated, but mine!
This sense of privacy, and the need of beeing my own PCs master is part of why I chose to start using Linux back in 2003. So how alone am I on GOL with that opinion? :)

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Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: MohandevirNot going to say that you are wrong. I totally understand your point of view. But let me be the Devil's advocate, for a minute...

Quoting: liamdaweIt's not free in any form:
Base Stadia - You buy the games.

It depends on the pricing of each games and the conditions, imo. Will they be ours forever, like Steam, even if it's not sold anymore, or are these games exposed to disapearing from the store like the Netflix model? We have no clues about these aspects, yet. Personnally I expected a subscription plan, similar to Netflix, even for the base option. To me it still an interresting option.

Quoting: liamdaweStadia Pro - You pay monthly, you buy games, you get few select free.

It compares to PS Plus and Xbox pass which are popular options. It's not a new formula and it's much better thant I expected it to be. This said, probably not my bag.

Quoting: liamdaweAlso, "unfair" about paying and not having any real access to the files, what's fair about it?
Google has issues? No game.
Your net has issues? No game.

This can be replaced by: "Motherboard failure ($$$), no games, HDD failure ($$), no games, GPU failure($$$$), no games, RAM failure($), no games... Want me to go on? It's all about managing the risks. Both point of view are valid.

Quoting: liamdaweModding? Haha no.

I don't think Stadia is targeted to the 1% techy educated market share that we represent or even the hardcore gamers that mods, which, I suspect, is not the vast majority. It probably has more appeal to the Xbox and Playstation players or the Windows users that have stopped gaming because of an ageing computer and/or are due for an hardware upgrade.

Personnally I see it as a complement to my Linux rig, for games that will never be playable on my Desktop, because there will be. You know "Stadia Games and Entertainment" produced games?

For buying games, it sound very much like you buy them and keep them, not a Netflix model, that seems pretty clear to me. Otherwise, you're not buying you're renting.

Okay, now you're starting to get me to think more on it. I never even thought about components breaking down, leaving you out of playing your games. Now that's a very valid point worth something.

True, but of course you need at least some hardware to use Stadia, which also could break down..

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