Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: elmapulbut most of the time the changes arent trying to censor something for another audience that is bothered by this type of content

The SICs always makes this claim but is there any evidence what so ever that the devs made this change for "another audience" and not just because they themselves begun to feel uncomfortable with the original design?

i dont know what SIC means, but the staff changed completely afaik, the new staff have 0 respect for what came before then or the original target audience.

This is the team working on Skullgirls now: https://skullgirls.fandom.com/wiki/Future_Club [External Link]

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Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: Metallinatus

Quoting: Mountain ManYou would think companies would have learned by now that trying to score points with this "social awareness" and "inclusivity" BS always backfires.

Finally, finally a delusional "go woke go broke" individual to pretend that WOKE Street Fighter 6, WOKE Guilty Gear Strive, WOKE Mario Bros. movie, WOKE The Last of Us 2 etc etc, are not all massive successes.

Thank you, I was worried I would go to sleep without seeing a comment like yours today :)

Oh dear, I appear to have triggered someone. :grin:

^the go to response when you literally get proven wrong and has no argument to debate anything of what I said.

Feeding time is over, you can talk to my hand from now on.

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Quoting: kit89

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: elmapulbut most of the time the changes arent trying to censor something for another audience that is bothered by this type of content

The SICs always makes this claim but is there any evidence what so ever that the devs made this change for "another audience" and not just because they themselves begun to feel uncomfortable with the original design?

I think this is a new game development studio stamping their mark. Skullgirls was developed by Lab Zero until they imploded, and Hidden Variable Studios took over as stewards by the publisher. I am not sure if any of the original Skullgirls team work for Hidden Variable Studios now.

I suspect the 'other audience' are the developers themselves, who may love the concept of Skullgirls but, perhaps, did not enjoy the degree certain themes were taken.

The way the story goes is that the game's creator, MikeZ, was accusad of sexual abuse by his team, so they all left Lab Zero and founded Future Club without him, who took over game development after Lab Zero.

AKA, it's the same people, minus that guy.

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Quoting: Mountain ManYou would think companies would have learned by now that trying to score points with this "social awareness" and "inclusivity" BS always backfires.

Finally, finally a delusional "go woke go broke" individual to pretend that WOKE Street Fighter 6, WOKE Guilty Gear Strive, WOKE Mario Bros. movie, WOKE The Last of Us 2 etc etc, are not all massive successes.

Thank you, I was worried I would go to sleep without seeing a comment like yours today :)

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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: MetallinatusYeah, people who bought Cyberpunk 2077 at release should just keep that version without a single patch, and if they want a new version they should just buy again, amirite?

art direction and bugs are 2 separate things, but yes.
are we really in a linux forum discussing if an consumer should have the rights to access an old version of an single player game if he dont like what changed in an patch?

we arent even talking about code here, but assets, i can understanf if an company changed a lot of things in a game (eg: the AI) but also fixed a lot of bugs, that they cant provide an version with the old ai system for those who dont like the new one, but with the bugs from the older version, fixed, im not asking for that.
but its that hard to not remove features, or assets or change assets without providing an option for those who dont like the new art direction? or what if the player rather deal with the old bugs than the new version of the game, in a single player match? whats wrong with that? why the consumer shouldnt have this right?
linux should be about freedom yet in a linux forum/discussion we are deffending that the companies should be able to do whatever THEY want with the product we paid for and supposedly OWN?

No, we were talking about whether devs should reserve the right to change a product that a customer already paid for, as that is what you complained about. And btw, fixing bugs is not always good for everyone either, in fact, it can be even worse than changing art, as it can *actually* affect the game for the worse. Ask any speedrunner if that isn't true.

You didn't mention anything about customers being able to downgrade their games at will before, that is different from what I was talking about, but I agree, game stores should allow us to do that. But unfortunately only GOG allows it as far as I'm aware.

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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: melkemindThe reality is that people who are actually upset enough about this to actually review bomb are likely white supremacists themselves, even if they're too cowardly to admit it.

Also, it's telling that they'd get upset over the removal of sexual exploitation of young characters. It's not like they removed all sexy outfits or anything, only predatory depictions of young characters. Why would that bother someone unless they get off on exploiting young girls?

Lastly, there really is no justification for hating the removal of racist imagery unless you're racist yourself. People these days are really good at telling on themselves.

I always got this little hope that some people will scream at anything taken away, because, you know, free speech/art (without realizing that these rights absolutely include the right of the developers to change their art). But, yes, probably it's culture wars again.

if you paid for a piece of art, you want that piece of art, not something else.
whats next? you will purchase halo and microsoft will give you forza instead but you cant complain?

the artist can do whatever he want with new pieces of art, its his art afterall, but for things you already purchased?
what if companies start makting their games pay to win? oh wait, they are already doing it, and we should acept because its their art according to your logic.

what if an company decide to change an story you like into something else you dont, and you cant access the original anymore?
or an music? movie?

Yeah, people who bought Cyberpunk 2077 at release should just keep that version without a single patch, and if they want a new version they should just buy again, amirite?

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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: hardpenguin

removing Nazi-like depictions including armbands and symbols, adjusting some character artwork to remove sexualization of younger characters and racial stereotype issues

Good. To hell with nazis. Although I wouldn't say they did good job to remove sexualization of any characters.

imagine having bad people being portrayed as bad people...
that was a stupid move too.

Except the people in question were kind of good guys. They are the "good guys with questionable methods" trope.

So I will disagree with both of you; the devs did good on taking the Nazi references from them, AND on taking sexualization of minors out of the game, and I don't think it should be a polemic move at all.

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This truly is a Linux desktop revolution, I don't wanna hear any naysayers, Valve really did it, those madlads....
Now we just need more and more developers to see this market and capitalize on it!

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Quoting: theghostMaybe players are switching to Battle Royal games right now.

Actually Valve gave an end to the illegal criminal skin gambling fiesta scheme that has been plaguing the game for years, with that, a lot of illegal criminal skin gamblers dropped the game this year, with one of them ending his life while taking innocent victims with him in a car "accident" earlier this week.
Well, this got dark, but it is what it is, you can Google it if you want.

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I would really love if this was DMC HD collection or DMC 4, no chance of that happening, though....
Bayonetta also has some demon and hell stuff on its lore, but nah, not happening.
I am out of ideas for now outside of the obvious Doom and Agony picks.

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