Quoting: NezchanI'll be damned. I've been using Linux since RedHat 5.2, but today I learned I'm not a real Linux user.

... Is that what you got out of my comments? How? If you don't mind me asking?

Quoting: NezchanAnd yeah, I raised my hand when you asked who hadn't bricked their system because they were fucking around under the hood. Another shared experience I don't share I guess. I'm a fraud.

You've been around since RedHat 5.2 and you've not screwed up your system even ONCE?! Wow! Again, not sure why you believe that makes you a "fraud", but I can't help bu thinking you're a rare breed :D

Hell, from what I recall I used my entire 2-3 first YEARS breaking my system. Tweaking like a madman, installing packages east and west, trying to force packages not compiled for my distro to work, digging and punching through config files and file property settings and thinking I got the hang of things.

Essentially doing everything I never experienced Windows giving me the opportunity to do.

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: BeamboomThose who just want a consumer box to do their gaming on - why on earth should they install Linux to begin with

Lots of reasons, including it being free and open source? Duh.

... A regular consumer, regular gamer? Someone who just want a box to do their gaming on, they would choose Linux over a Playstation (or whatever) because they can access the source code???
Get outta here, man. You don't even believe that yourself. Had reality been like that we'd been dominating the desktops across the globe 2 decades ago. :D

Everything related to open source and what it stands for is for the tech interested. Simply put. "free and open source code" means nothing outside the tech community. Zero. Nobody buys a smart TV based on the OS being open sourced. They buy the TV with the features they want. Windows and MacOS are not on 99%+ of all desktops because "people" in general wants open source products.

Quoting: AussieEeveepeople are sick and tired of being told how to run their computers by Microsoft and Apple. They want to take control of their system, and Linux is the ideal choice for that.

Ah! And why is that?... Ponder on that one for a bit, and then come back to me and tell me again why we should pad Linux like how Windows and MacOS works. :)

Quoting: AussieEeveeIs it necessary to be a Linux elitist?

That's your definition of me, not mine. I do not consider myself to be an elitist at all. I just realise that Linux is not for everyone. I'm even surprised that is a controversial opinion.

Quoting: AussieEeveeYes, the warning was tiny. Two lines, to be exact... In among a dozen lines of white noise. A novice user is not going to read all that white noise.

The "white noise" between those VERY clear warnings were a listing of what exact packages we talk about. Information. Stuff you would not get on Windows, cause there it's just a generic popup with a red warning sign and a "something went wrong". No white noise... But is that how we want it? Really?!

Quoting: AussieEeveeLinus being an influencer doesn't make his problem invalid either. This was a legitimate problem, and I'm glad to see they fixed it.

This is something that new users - ergo us all, every single one of us - has experienced on our Linux system during our first year for DECADES now. And then some celebrity (whom I have no idea who is but it seems the rest of you are on first name with) whines about it on youtube (or Twitch or wherever he's "influencing") and all of a sudden the entire Linux community jump like puppets.
Pathetic, is what it is.

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Quoting: Liam DaweIt's a real shame to see such elitist nonsense being posted here. It's techno jargon in the errors, crammed around lots of overloading info that even "power users" screw up on.

I don't mind you calling me "elitist", but I simply do not subscribe to the idea of "Linux for everyone".
I use Linux because it's NOT the padded regime of Windows and MacOS. There will always be a trade-off between security and efficiency. The more "secure" something is, the harder it gets to get something done. (And the more the user will disable whatever mechanics there is out of frustration - but that's a different topic).

Hands up, those of you who's never fucked up your Linux system, removed packages you shouldn't have, or screwed around in config files to the extent that you just had to reinstall the system?

... No? Nobody?

... We have ALL done that. Every single one of us. And we learnt from that! We GREW, that day. We became wiser, and better at reading and better at understanding, even RESPECTING the system.
There's really nothing wrong with this - it's a learning process. The more we are kept from UNDERSTANDING how things work - even via the hard way - the slower we learn.

Those who just want a consumer box to do their gaming on - why on earth should they install Linux to begin with?

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Quoting: AussieEeveeThere is a tiny little warning blended in with all the other white noise on the screen, and blaming Linus is just silly.

TINY? lol - dude, there was NO "white noise". There's FIRST an explicit warnings, very clearly put, AND info on what exact packages are about to be installed (for you to make up your own mind), then ANOTHER very explicit warning AND you're required to type a bloody SENTENCE to get through with it.
If that ain't clear enough then you're not really mature to use a system that gives you full control. You're supposed to READ what the system tells you. Read, and comprehend.

With great powers comes great responsibilities - and that goes for the package managers too. Most definitely.

But if you're after a OS that completely PADS you inside a fuzzy box where you can do nothing to harm you - well then Linux is not, was never and hopefully never will be your right choice.

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Quoting: AnachronyXHow false Linux changed the world of Linux, because he can't read.

I find this whole thing to be so embarrassing I'm not even sure what to say.

Some idiot "influencer" breaks his system and the entire community jumps.

... When I put it like that I'm not sure who's actually the idiots here.

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This is just so stupid, I am so totally against this whole idea of declining the super user ANY action.

Linux is modular. To remove a graphical user interface can make PERFECT sense to do. The user might have several interfaces installed and decided to remove the one installed with the distro, or he wants to change the box into a non-gui server, or really whatever reason - let him do it.

The warnings issued in that screenshot should be PLENTY enough. For fucks sake, he were even forced to write a full sentence, after telling in CLEAR text what packages was about to be removed.

If the user can't handle THAT, he should bloody well just return to the land of "ignore-all-warnings", aka Windows.

EDIT: After I wrote this I realised that the packages can still be removed from the system it just needs to be done explicitly. That makes it slightly more acceptable. Still - I don't like that extra layer of "protection" to help people that can't bother reading or don't understand what's written in clear text infront of them.
If they are unable to comprehent text warnings - well then they WILL encounter a similar "crisis" later. Linux is built on the premise of giving the user the power and trust to decide.

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That's the only rational and fully logical answer to that question, really.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyThis account underlines for me a major difficulty for Wine: Windows stuff tends to need not just Windows, but stacks of proprietary third-party libraries, which Wine also needs to duplicate.

Surely any third-party library will be distributed with the game and not assumed already installed on the given system? It's the underlying layer that is handled by Wine? But it do need to provide the APIs used by those too, of course.

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Quoting: whizseTry grepping the Wine sources for things like "stub", "unimplemented" and "FIXME".

Oh I totally believe there's a *lot* of areas where Wine is lagging behind. It goes without saying, really.

But what are computer games?
It's a program that takes user input, writes a shitload of data to the screen and often utilise the network interface. What goes on from one game to another should in principle be pretty much the same, as far as the system libraries goes? Architecturally the programs should share far more than they diverge from each other. As far as I can understand...!

So what on earth could it be that this game used from a system library that all the other games don't?

I mean, I'm not sitting here claiming or pretending to know or understand more than what I do, I am merely asking based on my very limited experience with software development. It's not like we talk about some exotic hardware peripherals here. And it's hard to understand why it should utilise some fringe windows functionality no others do.

*shrugs*

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Quoting: NameHereI often see this sort of thing and wonder: are these general fixes to proton that have been missed?

Or is there now a line in proton something like:
if
Age of Empires 4 do these things,
else if
Forza Horizon 5 do these other things

Why are game specific fixes or hacks needed so often?

This has me confused too. People say it's just an API that's not fully implemented, but what are really the odds of this particular game using a part of a given API that NONE of the other hundreds of games, massive complex AAA included, has not used?
It just doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't add up.

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