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Quoting: Lofty(other thoughts, Steam is not the only way to game on Linux. Perhaps one day we might see some sort of opensource gaming store that is fully independent of anything we have now but the question is would you actually want to play any of those titles?)

Quoting: GuestI think it's generally called a package manager.

Do they feature exclusively non foss gaming software?

I dunno about your distro, but on Mint if I go to my "Software Manager" (which uses the package manager under the hood of course), and look at the "Games" category, all the games there will be FOSS games and I can readily download and install them. Of course they don't cost any money, so as stores go it's a store where everything's on a 100% off sale. But other than that I don't see much difference from a "Game store".

I just a couple of days ago finished (re)playing a game I installed that way--"Ur-Quan Masters", the FOSS port of Star Control II.

im okay with just using steam TBH.

Star Control is one of the best games ever made for the Amiga.. fond memories. I shall have to try Ur-Quan Masters.

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Quoting: Lofty(other thoughts, Steam is not the only way to game on Linux. Perhaps one day we might see some sort of opensource gaming store that is fully independent of anything we have now but the question is would you actually want to play any of those titles?)

Quoting: GuestI think it's generally called a package manager.

Do they feature exclusively non foss gaming software?

If you mean a store that provides an open source client, itch.io does that. The games themselves aren't typically open source of course.

i did say opensource gaming store. Perhaps i should of said FOSS only Gaming 'store'.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyI'll be frank: I think modern invocation of that saying stems largely from fuzzy thinking (which is also generally the condition under which good intentions lead to bad outcomes, and it would be a lot more relevant to say so than to blame the good intentions themselves).

That sounds like a weird form of relativism, i think you may be over complicating the intention. Id be more than happy to talk about this in the PM's if you want but i don't wish to jam this thread up with that discussion at this point.

But I think the original saying comes from an older Christian context and basically means that what seems like reasonable ethics may contradict what the priests tell you the will of God says--and under those circumstances, you best be listening to the priests. Or else.

Again, if your inclined i can discuss this in PM's, im not sure gamingonlinux is a suitable place for religious opinions.

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Quoting: dubigrasuwe have a saying: befriend the devil until you cross the bridge.

we also have a saying: the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

I've always hated that particular saying. Cuz, you know, it isn't. Sure, you can cherry pick cases where good intentions lead to bad outcomes.. But come on, what's it supposed to mean?

Cherry pick or not it still works in it's intended usage in the moment. It is supposed to mean that an unintended consequence creating a perceived negative outcome is as a result of good will to adapt or improve something, but it actually makes the end result worse. Quite obviously, this does not apply to everything, but it doesn't need to as you wouldn't be using that phrase if you didn't think a worse outcome had happened.. of course that is all perception, a perceived truth.

Does it mean you should have BAD intentions so you go to Heaven? What?

il quote the wiki on this: "Hell is full of good meanings, but heaven is full of good works"
given it's biblical context, im guessing the answer to your question is no. It's just a proverb.

actually the wikipedia article on this is fairly self explanatory:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_road_to_hell_is_paved_with_good_intentions [External Link]
(there is an example in there also)

again the wiki:

writing about altruism, suggests that good intentions are often not what they seem and that mankind normally acts from less worthy, selfish motives—"If the road to hell is paved with good intentions, it is partly because that is the road they generally start out on."

Which is another perspective. I hadn't applied this to Linux gaming using proton/wine, initially at least. But then again perhaps valves good intentions had a predefined path to begin with(they are a corporation after all). Perhaps a perceived good intention by the community was merely an illusion to draw you into a kind of vendor lock in on an open platform.. but that's too cynical i guess.

Back on topic,
i have had access to so many more titles because of proton and they worked better than native in many instances. Given valve have tried the push for native already and it largely didn't work this is the only option left on the table. But to assume altruism from valves part would be naive, they knew their path alright.

(other thoughts, Steam is not the only way to game on Linux. Perhaps one day we might see some sort of opensource gaming store that is fully independent of anything we have now but the question is would you actually want to play any of those titles?)

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Quoting: dubigrasuwe have a saying: befriend the devil until you cross the bridge.

we also have a saying: the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

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Quoting: michaldybczakI'm surprised that Steam released it so soon. It feels like it's a few years too early.

i felt that way about the steam controller. from time to time i still use it but the same problems arise and it really could of done with a MKII release with all the feedback from users taken into account.

will there be a revised steam deck ? we know there won't be a third :tongue:

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Quoting: subAnd we're left with a system that runs with a graphics driver blob only.

*meh*

And runs windows games via a compatibility layer. So how much left is running FOSS, not to mention any DRM that gets added to the kernel for compatibilities sake and potentially invasive anti-cheat if it is not handled properly.

The future of Linux gaming is sounding more free and open all the time .. :whistle:

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Quoting: F.UltraWell Microsoft's huge advantage is the enormous software catalogue, which is 100% x86, so to be able to maintain that advantage they have no other choice than go full on QEMU-type emulation and things will be slow.

Don't forget the progress software like Box86 is making. And software is a fast moving landscape that can change overnight, even adobe a windows/x86 stalwart is moving to ARM and runs okay with Apple's Rosetta 2 technology.

Sure your obscure programs from the early 2000's might not be there but given that most popular software is web based or cloud the gap isn't as wide as you would think.

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Quoting: MohandevirSure, but a PC gaming laptop powered by ARM... It's directly playing on Microsoft's turf. Or is Microsoft trying to gradually abandon the said turf? Afterall, the new Microsoft did say that they envied Google's position...

Totally unfounded and speculative from my part... And probably wrong too (more a wish than a reality). :happy:

Windows cloud desktop running ARM with some locally rendered graphics ? Just like ChromeOS really.

where are NVidia in a future where everything is cloud based ? Sure you may say they are in the data center of Microsoft but is that really where a company like wants to be ? as merely only a provider and not a leader and what happens when MS put out the next generation of cloud gaming to tender and Intel or AMD steps in (or even IBM/MS custom SOC). Do Nvidia just twiddle thumbs for a few years until they get a chance to provide GPU's again because in the fast moving corporate world they would be a dead duck in no time with that approach. There are a lot of long thought out strategic games being played out right now in the tech space.

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Quoting: GuestWhere is SteamOS icon? i see Windows icon on device that will be shipping with SteamOS

im thinking were going to see an article written about this soon. Involving somebody quite prolific in the Linux development community.

Quoting: GuestDevelopers finding themselves being hit up by gamers requesting that they support a platform they didn't agree to support or indicate to gamers that they would support is NOT COOL.

indicating that there is no real separation from windows or Linux as far as Valve is concerned. Native Linux gaming doesn't really matter, it only confuses regular people & devs. All that matters is steam is seen as a unified 'platform' and proton is that new platform.

hence why it will be gamingontopoflinux.

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