Quoting: Cestuscheapest is 520 euro
cheapest Available is 550 euro

I will not buy the successor of my GTX 1050 TI for more than the 150 euro i paid for back then. 200 euro tops.
I would rather play without a discrete GPU than pay 550 euro for 1080p gaming. Hell, i'd rather play 8bit and 16bit games on a raspberry pi for the rest of my life than pay that price!
It goes for both green and red team! They both lost the plot between the price the HUGE power consumption the big cards need now.

Have you found any in stock? Here (Canada), there is nothing to show for... Yeah got some price ranges on Newegg (From 500$ CAN and up), but it's "Out of stock" everywhere.

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Already in the starting blocks... Let's hope I'm fast enough.

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: MohandevirPersonally, the Linux build won't start. It crashes at the first loading screen at about 1/4 to 1/3 of the full loading bar... Tried disabling cloud saves, validated the local files, deleted it and reinstalled it... I tried with Proton and it seems to work fine... I would much prefer to support the native build though...

Loads just fine here.

Seriously... Brand new Pop_OS install 21.04. Nothing special, no "hugly tweaks"... I don't know what's going on...

Edit: Ok... Not worried at all... Did a BIOS upgrade to my Asus TUF B550M Plus Mobo and now the game starts normally. Problem solved?

Edit2: Nope... Not completely solved... It starts 1 out of 2 tries (3/6)... But at least I was able to start it a couple of times... Interresting game.

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Personally, the Linux build won't start. It crashes at the first loading screen at about 1/4 to 1/3 of the full loading bar... Tried disabling cloud saves, validated the local files, deleted it and reinstalled it... I tried with Proton and it seems to work fine... I would much prefer to support the native build though...

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Quoting: CatKillerMicrosoft, of course, does have a gaming software ecosystem to lean on for profits, and releasing an Xbox-branded handheld that plays Windows games could really put a spoke in the wheels of the Steam Deck.

But they said that the Steam Deck is an Xbox Handheld.

https://bgr.com/tech/phil-spencer-hints-that-the-steam-deck-could-be-the-portable-xbox-of-our-dreams/

Edit: This said, it feels like Valve is using the Steam Deck and SteamOS 3.0 to try and create something similar to Google and Android with many OEM jumping in the fray along with their own hardware and, who knows, custom SteamOS versions.

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Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: CatKillerBut it's definitely not primarily a hardware play (they aren't making anywhere near enough units, by several orders of magnitude)

Why so? I always tought it was a matter of offer and demand, in the hardware market... You want to have enough inventory to meet the demand, but not too much of it so as not to get stuck with it. If there is a demand, why wouldn' Valve try to ramp up the production of Steam Decks?

To make a credible console, you need to be aiming at sales of around 100 million units, and you need everyone to know that you're aiming for that kind of audience for your platform so that everyone buys in. Low sales breaks the entire model. Valve aren't making anything like that many. Nowhere near. You need to sell worldwide to normal people in normal shops. Valve aren't doing that, either.

As a demonstration device for Linux gaming, you only need to sell a few million devices; the important thing is to get people talking about it. That's perfectly in line with what we've seen about Valve's production capacity. As a demonstration device for Linux gaming, your primary audience is PC gamers. You need to already have a Steam account to buy a Steam Deck. For a console, having competitors making similar devices running the same OS and the same games would mean that you'd lost, and badly; as a demonstration device for Linux gaming, having competitors making similar devices running the same OS and the same games means that you've won, and someone else is doing your work for you. Valve have said that they want other companies to make similar devices.

I'm sure that Valve are very satisfied that there's lots of demand, and they'll scale up production to make as big a splash as they can. It's just not at the scale of a console and isn't doing console things. They've said themselves that it's an experiment, to gauge their assumptions about where they've got to.

I get your point, but I see a "flaw" (might be too strong a word)... No other company will be able to challenge Steam Deck's pricing ranges. Valve was able to offer agressive pricing because they mainly sell games. Those that could challenge them are Sony or Microsoft, who knows how to undersale consoles and get the money invested back on game sales. DELL's potential UFO will never be able to challenge the Steam Deck on this aspect... Just like any other PC handheld that we've seen up to this date. The Steam Machines suffered from too high prices in the same way.

I'm quite sure that the Steam Deck will stay relevant for years, in this market and will be the leader of the segment. Let's hope Valve is aware of that and ready to face the challenge.

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Quoting: CatKillerBut it's definitely not primarily a hardware play (they aren't making anywhere near enough units, by several orders of magnitude)

Why so? I always tought it was a matter of offer and demand, in the hardware market... You want to have enough inventory to meet the demand, but not too much of it so as not to get stuck with it. If there is a demand, why wouldn' Valve try to ramp up the production of Steam Decks?

At this moment, it's pretty hard to have a clear idea of Valve's intentions, due to the chip shortage that's draining nearly all resources, but I doubt they wouldn't try to meet the demand. That's what I would do if I was launching a new product, at least.

The Steam Deck presale gave Valve a good insight of what's to come for the Steam Deck, imo. Let's wait and see, but it would be weird if they didn't decide to capitilize on the opportunity, imo.

Edit: I mean, it might not be primary now, but who knows, it might come to this, at some point.

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+15 that are broken due to Anti-Cheat that may be within reach when Proton support is enabled... Not bad at all!

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I'm about to commit a crime posting this here:

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RADV-Mesa-21.3-Older-RT

An old RX 570 might be able to do some Raytracing on Linux, but not on Windows... An argument for the SteamDeck to stick with SteamOS 3.0? Coupled with AMD FSR?

No clue if it's relevant, it's just a tought and I found the news funny (RTX on Linux, but not on Windows).

Edit 1: Reformulated the last phrase.

Edit 2: It could be the missing piece of the puzzle for Stadia to add Raytracing support too...

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Might not be that kind of digital table top games, but this news makes me think about "Lord of the Rings: Journeys in Middle-Earth" which is one of our family weekend games, which makes me think about the Steam Deck... Could be a nice combination to replace the huge laptop/screen that I have to setup at one end of the table... Mmmm...

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