RTX 4080 16gb... 1200$ USD with 320W tdp... Thank you, but no thank you. The tech is not ready for mainstream adoption. That's all it means.

Edit: Modified tdp to follow the article updates. The 12gb model was added afterward, but it doesn't change my point of view.

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Aside from the occasional SteamOS configuration (like Emudeck and desktop apps updates), personnally, I don't use the desktop mode at all... I bought a docking station for nothing, even if I tought It was a must have. Truth is, if I need to do some heavy lifting, I have another desktop/laptop for the task. And this one too is collecting dust, anyway. I wouldn't have tought, but my Steam Deck is really just a bigger, more comfortable and more powerful, handheld only, Nintendo Switch... And I'm pretty fine with that. Oh well... :grin:

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This said, I tried connecting an external ssd through my docking station... I had to configure fstab and I had to turn off the Steam Deck completely everytime I wanted to dock/undock the Steam Deck, else I had to redo the whole Steam configuration (it didn't remember the external ssd)... It was not really plug & play.

Did Valve do something about it?

It was quite... Unserviceable, imo.

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Downloading the update on my Steam Deck...

Making me think about the Bioshock debacle. I always use the "--launcher-skip" launch option for Steam CP2077. Launches the games directly. No GOG launcher. CDPR tought about that, at least...

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Argh! The launcher disease strikes again!

As for Proton, I understand that there is an issue with the launcher, on the desktop which is pretty terrible, but aside from that, personally, I was already using Proton with Bioshock Infinite. Cloud saves stopped working many years ago, with the Linux version and lately the game just refused to launch, anyway. Switching to Proton solved both issues and, on the Steam Deck, I can use the system wide AMD FSR in the performance tab... I get 3 hours of autonomy at High setting, with a solid 60fps. So, It's not all bad, imo. I Just hope 2K will do something about that crappy launcher and fully support Proton, though.

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Quoting: KohlyKohl

Quoting: MohandevirAnd it doesn't count the Steam Deck users that don't really use the desktop client (like I do)... These won't get the survey because Gamemode/Gamescope doesn't trigger it, from what I read. So, the Steam Deck market share is probably higher than that.

Edit: Thinking about it, if you are on Windows and use Steam BPM... You won't get the survey either. The results are probably wrong from the start, on both sides of the fence.

This is not true as I received the survey in gamemode

Happy to hear that. Read on an article that it wasn't so. Nice to know that they were wrong.

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And it doesn't count the Steam Deck users that don't really use the desktop client (like I do)... These won't get the survey because Gamemode/Gamescope doesn't trigger it, from what I read. So, the Steam Deck market share is probably higher than that.

Edit: Thinking about it, if you are on Windows and use Steam BPM... You won't get the survey either. The results are probably wrong from the start, on both sides of the fence.

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Quoting: Salvatos

Quoting: MohandevirBy the way, I'm not trying to convince anyone to do like I do, but, personnally, I found it's pretty easy to skip the Epic Exclusive stuff. I'm not falling for that "FOMO" feeling, particularly in single player games.

The way game releases work these days, it also means you’re likely to pay less for more content and features and a less buggy game, so I’m pretty much the same. Plenty of games out there, I can wait another year if publishers prefer Epic’s money to mine.

Let the EGS users be the beta testers!:wink:

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I was really interrested by this game when it was first announced, but then I read "Epic exclusive". Ok then, this game... Does... Not... Exists and wiped it from my memory. Thus, I'm surprised to hear that one year as already passed. Nice! I might pick it up.

By the way, I'm not trying to convince anyone to do like I do, but, personnally, I found it's pretty easy to skip the Epic Exclusive stuff. I'm not falling for that "FOMO" feeling, particularly in single player games. And I'm even happier that I did, now that I have my Steam Deck and knowing that a properly supported version of the game will be available in the Steam store.

Are the update goodies available on Epic Games too or are they "Steam exclusives"?

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: soulsourceSteam Deck 1 + Steam Deck 2 -> 1+2=3 -> Half Life 3 confirmed.

SteamOS 3 is the first time they've been able to count to 3.

And they even emphasized it... Right now, it's SteamOS 3.3! :grin:

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Quoting: NerdNoiseRadio

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: NerdNoiseRadioBased on what I see in Steam Deck groups on social media, I would have no trouble believing that it could be as many as 40% of Steam Decks have Redmondsoft on them.

The Steam hardware survey seem to contradict that theory. Thing is, my experience is that the Windows fanboys in the facebook groups I follow are really vocal, but few are actually doing the move and many regret it aftward. It feels more like a vocal minority, imo, but I do not have any proof of that either.

Windows is just unfit for the task. Too much heat, drains the battery much faster and there is a lot more fan noise. On top of that, a desktop OS on a handheld... It's awkward, at best. SteamOS is a big part of it's best aspects. Users love it. Removing it makes the SteamDeck another boring PC... Or "How to transform a handheld into a laptop".

Edit: Not saying you are wrong, there might be a lot of dualbooting though, from what I read: "Xbox gamepass, Destiny 2, COD Warzone..." but since SteamOS doesn't support that, it's not a trek for the faint of hearts... Non techy users might not be really enticed by that solution.

I have had a similar thought occur to me previously that it's only 40% of the enthusiasts that are actually going to Windows, where the radical majority of the more "casual laity" are just sticking with what it came with, meaning, of course, Linux. It's not that these laypeople are actively choosing Linux like you or I or the people in the group would, but passively choosing it by consequence of simply demurring to actively pursue the alternative. However for the purposes of our aims of pushing Linux gaming forward, these disinterested "I'm just here for the games, man" people, I'd say are still probably 90% as valuable to us and our purposes as "we passionate much fewer" are, since Gaming on Linux is still advancing through them even if only by coincidence. I left this out of my last comment because even with the "long-winded" caveat, I was probably coming up on the limits of how long I should make my reply, figuring we could deal with it in follow ups like this one. :-)

Dual-boot situations occurred to me as well, of course, but [and I could definitely be talked out of this], for the purposes of "propelling or curtailing the advance of Linux gaming, I tend to consider them to be more akin to the Windows-only curtailing than to the Linux-only propulsion.

Lastly, as for the desktop situation, i will admit to ignorance over whether or not Steam has a "Steam Mode" client equivalent for Windows like we do in Linux. If so, then I suppose it becomes a distinction without a difference on handheld and TV / couch gaming at that point, except for the battery / thermals / performance things that you mentioned. I had presumed they had had such a client, but I could be wrong. But if they don't have a "Steam Mode" for Windows, and they'd have to do everything on the small screen in Desktop mode and the full-fat desktop Steam Client, then yeah, I could see that really killing the experience.

The one quibble I'll make, and this may not even be a point of contention between us, necessarily, is that here in Linux, I absolutely LOVE that we have desktop mode. Sure it COULD work as a super quirky little laptop with a kickstand and an external KBM, but I basically never use it this way. However, hooked to a USB-C dock on a pair of 1080p monitors and a KBM at a computer desk, or even outputting 1440p on a 49" 4K living room TV using a USB-C dock and wireless KBM, I find the desktop experience really good, and the fact that on top of everything else the Steam Deck is, it's also a full-fat Linux desktop PC that keeps the KDE I love, but gives me an alternative to Ubuntu to play around with that all my other Linux PCs are based on (two on Ubuntu Studio, and one on Ubuntu Web Remix) is I'd say no less than a full third of what makes this thing so valuable and exciting to me! :-)

All you said sounds fair. We are speculating a lot, at this point. It's just that I have the feeling that the 40% is about dualbooting (might be less than that, imo) and mostly for what can't be done on SteamOS exclusively. Those that project to completely replace SteamOS with Windows are rare occurences, from what I read. There are a lot of "I will boot Windows from my SD card". Which is a bad idea, imo, but... Well... Time will tell... At some point, Valve will release sales figures and probably usage...

Steam has a BPM (Big Picture Mode) on Windows too, but it's the old UI that was used in the Steam Machines and it dates a lot. You don't get all the precious Steam Deck optimizations and features.

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