The Steam Deck Dock is interresting, but I'm wondering if a Steam Deck with a protection Shell will fit, into the seating?

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Quoting: Mohandevir

When we discontinued linux support in 2019, one of the core reasons was how the cheating community was exploiting the Linux platform.

They are trying to convince me that 0.1% of the userbase, by their own numbers and assuming that it would mean that all of Linux users are cheaters... Yeah... Right... wrecked the game so much that it attracted their attention to Linux cheating?

I'm... not... buying... it.

I would really like to know on what fact they based this assumption, if it's not just pure made up BS, because they can't say they won't support Linux, because they don't want to and because they hate the platform.

Seriously, it's more insulting than anything else.

I needed this new statement as much as a Facepunch!

the cheating industry move millions of dollars each year, maybe even billions, valve said it thenselves (steam devdays), i wouldnt be surprised if its more profitable to make an cheat software for an game than port the game to linux/make it work with proton.

no one is saying that all linux users are cheatters, the issue is, cheaters are willing to do a lot to cheat, if they have to pay they will, if they have to install an software that is hard to install they will.
hell, i never used an cheat software, but the last time i cracked some software it was way harder than instaling an linux distro, if instaling cheat software is that hard, then i wont be surprised to see some people installing linux just to cheat, and that is the main issue here.

Imo, it's still speculation based on no hard facts... If it was true, we would already see upticks in Linux usage and hear about Linux cheats in other games that permits it... So, I'm totally unconvinced, still. Maybe you are right, but it's too anecdotal to really matter. Not sure that many Windows users are willing or have the knowledge required to install Linux just to cheat for one specific game.

Edit:
And the day Linux usage will make a visible dent in Windows AC will be the day Linux will have hit a critical mass of users. At this point, Linux will require proper support and AC implementations. That's what Facepunch doesn't want to see happen ("we don't want Epic Games to split Windows ressources to support Linux" rhetoric). That makes them even more disgusting, imo.

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When we discontinued linux support in 2019, one of the core reasons was how the cheating community was exploiting the Linux platform.

They are trying to convince me that 0.1% of the userbase, by their own numbers and assuming that it would mean that all of Linux users are cheaters... Yeah... Right... wrecked the game so much that it attracted their attention to Linux cheating?

I'm... not... buying... it.

I would really like to know on what fact they based this assumption, if it's not just pure made up BS, because they can't say they won't support Linux, because they don't want to and because they hate the platform.

Seriously, it's more insulting than anything else.

I needed this new statement as much as a Facepunch!

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I still remember this:

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2016/01/garry-newman-of-rust-and-garrys-mod-regrets-supporting-linux/

Please excuse me if I don't believe there is an once of good faith in this new statement. It feels like they are being pressured by demand into answering with some form of a P.C. answer. They do not have any intention of supporting Linux, imo.

Maybe when Valve will have sold it's 5th million Steam Deck...?

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The price of the Deck Dock is not on the cheap side, but considering that the power supply is included, all the features that comes with the dock and the support quality that Valve usually offers, it's not as bad as it seems.

As a comparison... JSaux Dock (60$CAN) + 45w PSU (30$CAN) = 90$CAN... Valve's Deck Dock 120$CAN. It's more expensive, but nothing catastrophic, imo.

Will I buy it? Probably not. I barely use mine.

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Quoting: GuestMeh, the game is so boring, repetitive and shallow...

Not the biggest fan myself, but for many, it's a big (if not the sole) reason to boot Windows. So, even if you don't play the game, putting your +1 will help Linux gaming as a whole. Linux needs to be supported by these big titles.

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Did my part too.

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I plead guilty to the CP2077 rise. :grin:
Nothing to do with the anime though... Not my cup of tea.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: KlaasBut it requires a lot more power everywhere else, so it should be avoided at all costs.

It's a nice way to think, but like people who argue against capitalistic ways all the time, it's just not grounded in the reality of how we all live our lives. Should I care about how much energy servers on everything I use cost the planet? Yes. Do I? Not really, I'm just trying to survive and keep costs low like everyone else.

Everytime I read this kind of argument, I'm wondering if the environmental impact of the over the seas shipments of the new devices is taken into account... I guenuinely don't know, but I'm wondering if a few shipments to the likes of google, for their servers with the streaming impact is much worse than 25+ millions of units of consoles or pc being shipped to 25+ millions of different adresses, on huge ocean liners/trucks/airplanes that burns lots of unecological fuel... I'm guenuinely curious.

I don't know... but the 25+ million people will still need a device to access their games either way. Maybe less often, though.

Not if you already have the device, because it runs on a potato. Yes there will be new devices to be bought, but streaming will lengthen your device's lifespan, thus less shipments required.

And think about electronics... Even more obvious with DIY PCs... Parts rarely comes from one place... I don't know. I'm wondering.

Edit1: Seriously, let's pretend we are in a 100% streaming world (absolutely not a wish; I like local gaming too much)... I'm probably still running my old i7-3770 from 2012. No Graphics card, one less shipment. :wink:

Edit2: And now, I'm thinking about all the upgrades I wouldn't have bought afterward... That much less shipments... Yikes!

Edit3: x25 million users? And one device for all services? No need for a Playstation and/or Xbox and/or Steam Deck and/or PC and/or Nvidia Shield, etc... One device that does it all in the form factor that you prefer? Think about all the shipments that gets avoided... Ok. It's highly theoric, but see where it could lead us?

Yeah, except in a real streaming-only world, since there would be no alternative to the streaming services, and there would be only a few of them, they would cut anti-competitive deals with each other and all start mandating the hardware you use, so you'd have various incompatible-with-each-other consoles all over again that you'd have to spend money on . . . not because there was any valid technical reason for it, but because they could.

Not sure about that. Your reasoning revolves around an hardware centric business... Cloud gaming is a SaaS. What hardware you use, they don't really care. What they care about is the subscriptions and the services you pay for. In many cases, those that supply cloud services don't even supply the hardware. Why would they bother? If what you say is true, I wouldn't be able to use GeForce Now on the same device as Stadia. Sony wouldn't have put their games on PC. There is a paradigm shift caused by SaaS.

Edit: What you will definetly see, though, are exclusive games from service to service.

On top of that, I've always heard that Sony and Microsoft are selling their consoles at a loss, explaining the 30% cut in their stores... Don't you think they'd be happy to get rid of that? This and all the support tickets because of hardware failures? Think about it... I can stream my Steam games using the 60$ Steam Link hardware... My Chromecast with GoogleTV is able to do all that for 50$... Do you think there is a lot of money to be made in this market segment? What they want is sell games, not a piece of tech. The piece of tech they care about is on the server side, at this point.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: KlaasBut it requires a lot more power everywhere else, so it should be avoided at all costs.

It's a nice way to think, but like people who argue against capitalistic ways all the time, it's just not grounded in the reality of how we all live our lives. Should I care about how much energy servers on everything I use cost the planet? Yes. Do I? Not really, I'm just trying to survive and keep costs low like everyone else.

Everytime I read this kind of argument, I'm wondering if the environmental impact of the over the seas shipments of the new devices is taken into account... I guenuinely don't know, but I'm wondering if a few shipments to the likes of google, for their servers with the streaming impact is much worse than 25+ millions of units of consoles or pc being shipped to 25+ millions of different adresses, on huge ocean liners/trucks/airplanes that burns lots of unecological fuel... I'm guenuinely curious.

I don't know... but the 25+ million people will still need a device to access their games either way. Maybe less often, though.

Not if you already have the device, because it runs on a potato. Yes there will be new devices to be bought, but streaming will lengthen your device's lifespan, thus less shipments required.

And think about electronics... Even more obvious with DIY PCs... Parts rarely comes from one place... I don't know. I'm wondering.

Edit1: Seriously, let's pretend we are in a 100% streaming world (absolutely not a wish; I like local gaming too much)... I'm probably still running my old i7-3770 from 2012. No Graphics card, one less shipment. :wink:

Edit2: And now, I'm thinking about all the upgrades I wouldn't have bought afterward... That much less shipments... Yikes!

Edit3: x25 million users? And one device for all services? No need for a Playstation and/or Xbox and/or Steam Deck and/or PC and/or Nvidia Shield, etc... One device that does it all in the form factor that you prefer? Think about all the shipments that gets avoided... Ok. It's highly theoric, but see where it could lead us?

Yeah, except in a real streaming-only world, since there would be no alternative to the streaming services, and there would be only a few of them, they would cut anti-competitive deals with each other and all start mandating the hardware you use, so you'd have various incompatible-with-each-other consoles all over again that you'd have to spend money on . . . not because there was any valid technical reason for it, but because they could.

Not sure about that. Your reasoning revolves around an hardware centric business... Cloud gaming is a SaaS. What hardware you use, they don't really care. What they care about is the subscriptions and the services you pay for. In many cases, those that supply cloud services don't even supply the hardware. Why would they bother? If what you say is true, I wouldn't be able to use GeForce Now on the same device as Stadia. Sony wouldn't have put their games on PC. There is a paradigm shift caused by SaaS.

Edit: What you will definetly see, though, are exclusive games from service to service.

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