Quoting: StoneDancerWhy do some people think that returning to the old way will mean higher prices. We always used to trade in, sell or give away our disc (or even ROM cartridges if you remember them?) media. When most games went to downloadable the costs for the distribution plummeted but instead of seeing that cost saving the consumer is charged even higher prices for games.

But you do realize that while the costs (media, box, manual) went south, you still have ongoing service?
You can still download your game on Steam (, etc...) that you purchased 15 years ago.
That's cost of infrastructure that has not been there in those old times.

I for one have been asking for this ability for a long time. I want to give my game to a friend when I'm done. I bought the rights to use it, I should be able to sell those rights just like the lease on my apartment.

I don't get that example.

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Quoting: Klaus

Quoting: subThere is no price on the consumption of the game anymore, which is what the
developer actually wants to get paid for - and that's fair, isn't it?

I have to agree with that one. Viewing purchases of content as a product purchase was always a bit of a crutch, that only worked due to the limitations imposed by physical media.

If you have played all of a game or read all of a book, you have basically worn it out, at least for your own purpose -- except for nostalgia. Selling it would require and effort in time and money, creating a minimum asking price where it is still worthwhile, while the product will not be seen as equal to a new copy.

With digital sales there is a additionally the aspects of continuous service. Updates, support, downloads... I could see Valve splitting game prices into a service fee and a game price.

My worst fear is that this will push Devs away from the single player games I like to more F2P, P2W multiplayer and gaming as a service. The last part might not be entirely bad, but as I have less and less time for games, it might just force me to drop gaming all together.

Fully agree.

Also, the argument that you can trivially copy a digital "good" and therefore must be cheaper sounds like complete non-sense to me.
As if a dev/publisher puts a price tag on the binary...
Ofc, they want to get paid for the experience (per person).

It's like arguing with the ticket man to let me into the cinema for free as there are still spare seats left and the show runs anyway.
I have never faced someone complaining to pay for the "experience".
Ofc, I came across plenty that complained about cinema prices here. Fair enough.

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Quoting: Salvatos

Quoting: pbThat's it, I'm telling my son right now to stop dreaming of developing games. This basically legalises keyshops and now even allowing you to sell the games you're already played and finished, if it wasn't bad enough before... Piracy killed Amiga gaming, socialism will kill PC gaming?

Can we maybe not be so dramatic? Some of us are old enough to remember that that’s how it was for the majority of video gaming’s existence. And books, DVDs, cars, etc. Sure it would be a disruptive change, but as long as it doesn’t open the door to duplication (piracy), the market can adapt. It might not be pretty for a while, but it won’t just die like that.

I'm not yet having a position on all this yet, tbh.

Being honest, this pure digital distribution is different to what
we had back then for games or even more for the book example.

If you sell a used book, it's used - no matter how hard you try.
Those old game boxed were usually plastic sealed and you had to open them.
From my experience the cardbox boxes suffered as did the jewel case plus the CD.

All I want to say is this: Usually a used product is not mint anymore.
It shows signs of use that is represented in the price when you resell it.

This is completely gone for digital products.
You sell something that's perfectly the same as you bought it first hand.
There is no price on the consumption of the game anymore, which is what the
developer actually wants to get paid for - and that's fair, isn't it?

It's a dilemma.

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Quoting: mphuZValve and developers will be more profitable to abandon the entire French market than to allow users to sell their digital games. :wink:

Well, if it's really based on an EU law this could gain some momentum that eventually will affect large parts of Europe. That'll be a bit harder to abandon, I guess.

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Maybe we then see publishers an stores switching to renting models and new stores popping up.
You won't (be able to) buy games, you rent them.

Guess the GOL community isn't going to like that.
Yet, in the end this might even help the quality of games,
as you only pay if you really play.
At least that's the renting model I would prefer.

Just my 2 cents. :)

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Why doesn't this automatically affect other digital game stores in France immediately?
Someone hast to go to court against Epic, GOG, ... separately, one by one?

Hard to believe, as the concepts of the stores are basically the same, when it comes to DRM and not being able to resell the purchases made.

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The demo was really fun, indeed.

Quoting: xaviNo, I do not liked Epistory, I am more on the typing and less on the story or good graphics.

Yep, didn't like it too.

If you can get your hands on the "Typing of the Dead: 1/2/Overkill" games...
They are fantastic typing games imho.

According to WINE's AppDB it should work fine.

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Quoting: dubigrasuHow can I filter out these kind of not (really) gaming related topics?
I tried adding in the filter the tag "Misc" (the tag for this article), but then I loose good gaming related articles that happen to carry the same "Misc" tag.

Non-gaming related articles are usually extremely easy to spot on the main page.
Plus, they are not that common.
You make it sound like we get hundreds of articles a day.

Seriously, where is the problem? :)

Or is it just that you want to tell us that you absolutely don't like this topic. ;)

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Quoting: minidou

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: spayder26Actually he was not defending Epstein (he called him rapist), but declaring his opinion against laws against consented paedophilia, which is somewhat much more controversial.

You seem to have information differing from mine.

I read that he found the "most plausible scenario" that the girls have been "entirely willing".

Does anybody find it appropriate to do such talk about possible severe crimes without any knowledge of what actually has happened?

You fell into the misinformation trap laid by some SJW.

What RMS said :

We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing.

What Selam Jie Gano concluded :

he says that an enslaved child could, somehow, be “entirely willing”.

What Vice wrote :

Early in the thread, Stallman insists that the “most plausible scenario” is that Epstein’s underage victims were “entirely willing” while being trafficked.

What the headlines are

Computer scientist Richard Stallman, who defended Jeffrey Epstein, resigns from MIT

This is absolute bullshit. RMS is very clear on the gullibility of Epstein in his emails (calls him a rapist). He barely defended the use of the appropriate wording when speaking about Minsky affair. Which is that from his (Minksy) POV, the girl was consenting, even if she was in fact coerced by Epstein.

Thank you!

Btw, you should avoid the word SJW even if you have to force yourself. ;)

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Quoting: linuxcityboy do i have an opinion on this,this dude is sick...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kezsNA9t348&feature=youtu.be

Are you serious?
Couldn't watch any further, tbh.

"He is quilty of something. he is definitely guilty of something. You don't just resign from somewhere, there must have something going on."

It's because of this malign and twisted argumentation why innocent people sometimes get burned for the rest of their life.

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