Quoting: CFWhitmanThey usually offer support for Ubuntu LTS, and nothing else.

linux has problems of compatibility with itself (eg: an program from ubuntu 14 lts may not work on ubuntu 16 lts or program made for ubuntu may not work on a different distros relased at the same year)

i had a lot of complaints that android was not compatible with linux desktop, but when you look at the fragmentation of linux desktop, you realize that linux-desktop dont have support for linux-desktop so we cant expect anyone else to have, distros should try to support android apps because they are standardized as an java application, flash aplication or pwa application are, not the android who should try to suport linux desktop.
in order to support an standard you need an standard to begin with.
i'm not saying everydistro should use gnome, but we need to take this problem more serious.

Quoting: CFWhitman"and the lame excuses they'll use to justify lack of support for a less popular platform. "

google is paying capcom 10 millions of dollars to port RE7 and 8 to stadia, do you think google would want to see linux users buying it on steam instead when he did paid for the port?
google dont want that, capcom knows that they dont, so unless canonical or someone is willing to open their pockets, or linux marketshare start to grown quite fast, those companies will not move an finger.
we may be a few customers, but we are customers with few options to play those games other than stadia, so if an company port their games to stadia and just happens to relase the same game on linux and google misses those sales for us, they may be less likely to pay for future ports in the future.
its the same reason why valve is counting on the stadia growth creating an side effect of linux growth and counting on proton instead of paying companies to port their games.

Quoting: GuestGNU/Linux stands for open, choice, the user being in control. Accessible to everyone.

except that we have less choice when it comes to tools and games to play, wich is an shame...

Quoting: CFWhitmanAnother thing I've seen mentioned is the reliability of old games continuing to work on newer versions of Linux depending on which service distributes the games. Some have pointed out that they've seen a higher percentage of games continue working on GOG and Itch.io than on Steam. However, I haven't had any of my Steam titles quit working for Linux yet, with the exception of Supraland, which isn't old and which never worked as well natively as through Proton to begin with. On the other hand, I've had old Humble Bundle Linux titles quit working on newer distributions. What I'm wondering is how much this phenomenon is related to the service, and how much it's related to a particular game.

wich is another reason why i'm disapointed with the system and i doubt it will be solved even if we increase our marketshare (i explained why in another comment), its geting to the point of diminishing returns.

i have to have an proprietary video card driver, with tons of blobs for firmwares of things like the motherboard etc, to have less options of games and softwares, that run with an worse performance wich forces me to pay more for the hardware...
just so i can have an layer of free software at the operating system level...

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Quoting: KithopDesktop Linux? Oh, that bug only applies to people running... say Manjaro, who have this specific nVidia driver and kernel version. When the moon is full. On Sundays only. But damn if the people affected aren't going to complain, refund, etc. and tarnish your game's reputation for being buggy.

there is an phrase that says:
when the service is free, its because you are the product.
companies like canonical dont charge from end users, so they have no real incentive to make sure an OS update dont break stuff, sure a few people may migrate to another distro but the headeach will be on then, not on canonical, or those same users may complain to the game dev, wich will then pay for canonical support to make sure they can quickly figure out what alterations broke the game and fix it asap.

literally ,the more users an distro has the more the company can charge others to fix things like that.

this is why i hate fragmentation for the sake of fragmentation, if we had a thing like w3c for linux standardizations we could fix it, but no, we have snaps, flatpaks, appimages, all wanting to be the one-size-fits-all package manager, and none of then is supported by all distros, because *reasons*.

sure i can use an distro mantained by the comunity instead of an corporation, but come on...

Quoting: KithopIt's better than it was, even 5-10 years ago, sure, but 'Linux' as a platform is way more complicated and fragmented than even Windows is, let alone a standardized, console-like environment, regardless if it's Stadia, or say, PS4/5 (BSD + OpenGL and Vulkan)

i'm kinda tired of this discourse because its being used as an "licence to be incompetent", sure somethings are horrible, but hey, its much better than it was 5-10 years ago!
yeah, its strange that 10 years ago, when i started using linux, people pretended that those same issues that were fixed didnt existe, but now its different, i'm sure that this time linux is ready for the masses and people who just want their computer to work like me. sigh*
its better now because it was horrible before, so its quite easy to improve because geting worse was quite hard...
now i want to know, how many years until those things are fixed if ever...

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Quoting: dubigrasuIt is indeed disheartening and frustrating to know that numerous games have Linux builds and we just can not have them, but I think that blaming Stadia is misdirected.

People connected the dots and thought that: Stadia Linux releases > Linux desktop releases. And when that didn't happened they felt betrayed, they felt like a promise was broken.
Well, Stadia took no obligation to release Linux desktop games, there was no promise of that and the disappointed people have only themselves to blame for their own wishful thinking.

Also, why blame specifically Stadia for Linux builds not reaching the Linux desktop?
What Stadia did was opened the path to Linux builds for publishers/developers, and now these publishers/developers have the tools and know how to do a Linux build. And when they still choose not to release for the Linux desktop, is it Stadia preventing them to do so? No, is the same publisher/developer motivation as always (true or just perceived): Linux desktop market share, distro fragmentation, anti cheat etc.
However, the one motive that they no longer can't invoke now is "we don't know how". Is at least one motive less, and this might come in handy someday for us.

what frustrate me the most is not this games not having an native version for linux.
it is that linux marketshare isnt growing (aside from some statistics shinenigans).
stadia never promissed to increase our marketshare or to make those games work on linux destkop, but at least i had hopes that without the issue of lack of games we could have a chance.
then proton+stadia came, geforce now came to linux and nothing changed, not to mention that people who only play on consoles never cared about linux and those people are migrating to pc games nowadays.
not only that but stadia is strugling wich means that we will see tons of cloud gaming services like shadowpc etc using windows, and developers will have even less reasons to care about linux.
at least if our marketshare grew we could have hopes that those games would become avaliable offline to us too, but nope, and stadia isnt helping much, it cant help even itself much less chromeOS/linux.

and for those who had any hope in atari vcs, it relased, looks like an promissing product for those looking for an cheap pc, the main issue is that people will just install windows on it and call it a day.

and god, windows have better android emulators than linux...
i hate to say that but there is no hope.

another thing to consider is that those companies will not port the games for free, unless we have an minimum install base, they will only care about us if an company like google start to dump money into linux porting, and i dont see any company doing it.

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this is not good news at all..
i mean, sure they had to say that but, as someone who is following a lot of youtube channels that talk about stadia, here is how the discourse changed:
first they confirmed that they have 450 games being developed by thirdy parties+ thenselves for stadia.
then, they announced that they have over 400 games for 2021 and 2022, they already are finished with their 2021 plans and are focusing on 2022...

then they shutdown the studio and go silent, wich created an negativity storm...
then they run out of the silence (wich is a good thing) and announce that they will have more than 100 games for this year.

so... if they planned 400~450 games, but only can confirm 100 for this year, either those other 300 are set for the next year, or canceled, contracts to make game for this year are unlikely to be canceled, but they didnt confirmed anything about the others 300...i understand that most people dont know about then, its just that this got me worried.

anyway, as for this games, i have mixed feelings
Shantae is an game that i was already looking for, i wanted to play for a long time, but now i'm inclined to wait a little more until stadia launch on brazil so i can finally play it, i cant decide if i purchase it on stadia or steam, cloud gaming has the potential to be the ultimate drm, wich is a bad thing, but this game already have an version for other consoles so its unlikely to disappear, not to mention that this type of drm runs server side not clident side, so at least i know there arent any malicious code runing on my machine.

as for the other games...
Kaze and the Wild Masks, i was looking to play too, since the first announcment of the game, Judgment seems to be yakuza releated (same studio or something like that) so i will definitely check it out

i dont like football, but i played some games on consoles before they went hyper focused on futeball fans intead of gamers who just happen to like football,i couldnt care less about fifa except that i want stadia to have games like this because they are nescessary to make it become an mainstream platform and get acess to even more games, Street Power Football on the other hand, looks like fifa street wich i had a chance to play, enjoyed it but the manuevers where ridiculous hard to do, i had trouble playing the freaking tutorial of it, wich is a good thing in my book (i like challenges) but i guess the learning curve was a bit bullshit... i dont if this game will be as hard as fifa street, but its good to see that this genre is back to the market, i might try it, the main issue is the art direction that dont appeal to me.

as for the others, cant remember gotta watch the trailers again.

another thing to consider is that 100 games look like a lot, but when you divide it by the number of months that an year have.
less than 10 games per month, it may look like a lot if you dont have much time to play and take more than an month to get tired of 10 games, but it isnt if you take into account that not all those games will be interesting for most people

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Quoting: elmapulwhy disgaea is striked?
ok, tried to open here and nothing, i was hoping that they fixed the fullscreen bug, looks like they fixed it by making the game not boot anymore.

The fix for Disgaea broke A Hat in Time, that's why they removed it.

do you know how to install this version of proton anyway? and how to install other proton versions that might work for an game but not for others?

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why disgaea is striked?
ok, tried to open here and nothing, i was hoping that they fixed the fullscreen bug, looks like they fixed it by making the game not boot anymore.

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nice curved screen simulation, and the screen shake effect... its looks like some one is pointing an camera to an tv while hold the camera with their bare hands

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Quoting: Marlockso maybe it's time for a Vulkan >> DX12 translation lib to get this done with...

very unlikely, xbox is more profitable than linux, if an game performs bad on xbox they lose an sale, if an game performs bad on linux, we will have to buy an better hardware because they wont care about us

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Quoting: BielFPsIt's sad how anti cheat solutions are more effective to block legit Linux players instead of actual cheaters. And for anti-piracy protection, I haven't see any successfully case with Denuvo since the Chinese had their first success of crack them.

This last year has me of the mind that Beijing Sandingmeng may have been supported by particular interests seeking to better understand systems of digital control.

Quoting: elmapuland not all games can run server side only, what about those button mash mini games where the player who presses the button faster wins? its impossible to secure the input against hacking.

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Alright, my snarky replies aside, the differences in perspective here are just from assigning completely different value to certain things things.

nice image joke, but that is beyond the point.

the example that i gave was just the example that i could think of at the time, that dont means this is the only case where this might be an issue, different types of games present different challenges that we might not be aware of.

and second, as an game developer, i have to solve problems related to game making, not judge then.
i cant tell the player "this game that you are playing is not fun, its stupid to code, go play something else", what i have to do is solve the problems.
the question is: how?

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Quoting: elmapulthat is, if the game RUNS. a lot of games dont, or run without a lot of features.

Which is exactly my point. How is that any different than running a cracked version of a game with broken multiplayer or other quirks related to breaking the DRM system without developer support?

1)i dont remember the last time i pirated something, but last time i checked i didnt missed any feature, it was an offline game anyway.
2)with the current marketshare we dont have both, drm-free games or games with drm, currently we dont refuse to play games with drm because we want to boycot drm, but because we CANT play then.
you would still have the option to only play drm free games, the difference is that you will be able to play everything else.
3)its not just about us paranoid with privacy , security and freedom, but about everyone else too.
4)drm seems to be an thin layer compared to an operating system, there is a reason why it take so little time to break the drm of most games, but its taking years to make some games work on linux.

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