Quoting: Alm888Maybe that kind developer that "supports" it would make a native version instead? Who knows?

well, we got less native AAA games after valve anounced proton, but on the other hand, we can play more stuff thanks to proton.

i dont know if the developers were going to drop support for linux anyway or proton was the issue.

Quoting: Alm888. But again, this also goes for pre-installed Windows on notebooks.

yes, but we were comparing proton to gfn, not proton to oem windows...

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Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: ShmerlI'd say those who don't want to give any edge to Linux gaming hostile MS, don't dual boot…

Dualbooting has nothing to do with this case. A user is not required to do so in any way (while using GFN).

Quoting: ShmerlComparison with Wine is invalid in this context. We are talking about actual Windows.

No, we are not. GFN does not require to use either "actual" or "virtual" Windows. And what nVidia is using is nVidia's problem, not user's.
By using GFN one does not makes another sale for Windows (contrary to WINE, where some may argue it is de-facto a Windows copy). On the opposite, by using GFN you are sending a "clear signal" (as Proton™ adepts would put it) to game developers that you are not a Windows gamer (but a ChromeOS user, a Linux variant, mind you, in this case).

wrong, you DO pay another licence.
it may be cheaper because nvidia buy in a lot with a bunch of licences, but you're still paying.
nvidia cant make unlimited copies of an software and distribute it just because you're streaming it from an vm running in their servers, instead of using it yourself.

otherwise they would be able to buy 1 copy of an game and distribute it to everyone.

they pay per user, and if nvidia is an publicly traded company, its dirt easy for microsoft to know how many windows licences they are using.
they just need to know how many clients are using gfn, they can get this info by reading the info that nvidia give to stake holders about their profits, the origin of the money and where they're spending.

they ARE payig microsoft for each user, either an rent of an windows licence or an entire licence, but they are.

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Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: ShmerlKeep in mind also that Geforce Now is using Windows on the server.

Does it matter?

I mean, you are playing "The Witcher 3", a game using Microsoft® API (DirectX™) via Proton™.

As much as I despise Proton, it's proponents' main argument "As Long As It Works" has some merit. Why a user should be bothered by this minor detail, if (s)he does not have to deal with Windows™ in any way her-/himself?

Both methods (GFN and Proton) involve purchasing a game, which developers could not care less about Linux. But I say, if anything, using GeForce Now is even purer than using Proton™: you don't have to deal with Microsoft yourself at all.

actually steam will count the sale as an linux sale, if you play it on proton.

it will apear in the data send to the developers that you are using linux.
afaik

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Quoting: Shmerl

Obviously, at this point NVIDIA are not supporting the Linux desktop with GeForce NOW in any way and it could break any time - so keep that in mind.

Keep in mind also that Geforce Now is using Windows on the server. So it's not any better than dual booting or running Windows in VM locally. You just get a longer cable for it. It's essentially a glorified remote Windows VM.

i kind of agree, but this will make it more convenient for people who are considering test/migrate to linux, so this may increase our marketshare and the developers support who want to support those who want to offline gaming as well as streaming...

or maybe not, its a double edge sword.

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if you going to buy an new game, you have 2 options:

you can buy it on stadia, and you will be able to stream it in fullHD forever, or pay to stream it in 4k.
(if you dont care about not being able to play offline)

or you can buy it in steam/epic store/etc and pay nvidia to stream it (you can use the free tier as well if you dont care about waiting in an quee and only playing for 1 hour...)

in my opinion, stadia is still an great option for the games you didnt purchased yet.

as for the games you already paid for, GFN sounds like the cheaper option (its cheaper than buying it again)

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Quoting: NeoTheFox

Quoting: elmapulwhats sci-fi about it?

The cars are driverless

"its not a bug, its a feature"
feeling...

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whats sci-fi about it?

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love the fact that they specific mentioned linux at the end.

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I’ve found using the new keyboard layouts with Auto-Tiling is so addictive that when I go to another computer, it feels like I’m in a foreign land.".

i have mixed feelings about this.
at the same time that i aways wanted an keyboard with extra keys that i can configure to do whatever i want, nowadays i dont have time/motivation to change my workflow anymore.

as much as it sounds like empowering users, giving then more freedom, at the same time it sound a bit like vendor lock-in, unless the entire industry adopt it, you will be adicted to an feature that only they provide, wich isnt a big issue until they start to put their computers at an ridiculous price like apple...

and speaking of it, this is sounding more like apple, were their product dont give the user any significant advantage anymore, but everyone was brainwashed into thinking they do.
i mean, its just an small gimmick, why not buy an Stream Deck instead?

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Quoting: Patola

Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: Patola

Quoting: pete910Like others have said, I still don't trust them as far as I could throw mount Everest. :wink:

None of us techies seem to trust Microsoft, but somehow this does not matter. Almost all companies seem to blindly trust this corporation which has one of the dirtiest track records ever. Every crappy Microsoft product no matter how disfunctional, every suspicious deal no matter how disadvantageous, they swallow up and get entangled in its terms like if it was one of the Great Wonders. It's close to incomprehensible and deeply frustrating in a professional setting.

because microsoft dont back slash then most of the times.(...)

No, they don't. The teams which are forced to use their software endure very bad times and clear productivity loss. Their support is not good and most of the issues are design issues of their software, so they're never resolved. As I said, "no matter how disfunctional", and no matter how disadvantageous, it simple seems to not matter. It's like they arranged a way for bad design, bad support, bad functionality and loss of productivity to not have any measure or consequence for them. This is the mystery.

i'm not talking about their tools.
the fact is, if you develop for windows, then you only have to be afraid of the competition, its very unlikely that microsoft thenselves will try to compete against you or destroy you somehow.
your chances of surviving in the market developing for windows are much greater than not doing so.
that is why their partners are happy.

sure, the programmers may not like their tools, but that dont matter for their boss, as long as the company is making money, they are fine with it.

so TL:DR
developing for windows you have an high chance of making money and an small chance of facing microsoft as an competition.
not developing for windows you have an lower chance of making money, and if your product has any chance of stealing away marketshare from microsoft, then its very likely that they will try to destroy it.

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